What do you see as a 'disgrace' to metal music? Why?

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I might come off as hypocritical here, but the most toxic thing in metal is the blatant hero worship trend in the last six or so years. Sure bands like Portrait and Chthe'ilist are fun and all, but to what end really?
 
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Hero worship has been a thing since basically forever. Every metal scene is basically by definition a kind of hero worship, a handful of pioneers and then dozens of copiers to follow. I'd love them if any of them had the writing abilities of their heroes.
 
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portrait actually have high potential IMO and wrote probably my favourite epic of the decade in 'lily', but that just makes their fate worship more frustrating if anything. they're really disjointed because they seem torn between aping their favourite bands and doing their own thing, when they'd clearly be a better band if they just did the latter.

and yeah while i agree it sucks, i also agree with HBB that this isn't a recent phenomenon.
 
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EspaDa said:
This is a major disgrace

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HamburgerBoy said:
Hero worship has been a thing since basically forever. Every metal scene is basically by definition a kind of hero worship, a handful of pioneers and then dozens of copiers to follow. I'd love them if any of them had the writing abilities of their heroes.
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Perhaps my perspective is skewed, but I just feel like it has been a lot more egregious of the last few years. Pretty much every hyped release I get around to sounds like DsO/Gorguts or is a blatant call back to the early 90's or 80's. I remember when I was originally posting oh here (2006-2008) all the hyped releases at least sounded fresh (stuff like DsO, Agalloch, Portal etc.). Maybe I'm just missing some things
 
Dazed and Brutal said:
Perhaps my perspective is skewed, but I just feel like it has been a lot more egregious of the last few years. Pretty much every hyped release I get around to sounds like DsO/Gorguts or is a blatant call back to the early 90's or 80's. I remember when I was originally posting oh here (2006-2008) all the hyped releases at least sounded fresh (stuff like DsO, Agalloch, Portal etc.). Maybe I'm just missing some things
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The only difference is that it's easier to find music. Today anyone can copy any band from any time, in the 80s you were limited to copying whatever you could find in the store or from your friend.
 
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no country for old wainds said:
portrait actually have high potential IMO and wrote probably my favourite epic of the decade in 'lily', but that just makes their fate worship more frustrating if anything. they're really disjointed because they seem torn between aping their favourite bands and doing their own thing, when they'd clearly be a better band if they just did the latter.

and yeah while i agree it sucks, i also agree with HBB that this isn't a recent phenomenon.
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Agreed. I'd love to see Portrait reach their potential, although I am skeptical that it will ever happen.
 
Personally, I find a band like Peste Noire to be pretty disgraceful to metal more so than a lot of these really terrible post-metal bands that have been popping up for almost a decade or whatever. Something about their particular right-wing dumb-thug personas and the way that the music is very underwhelming on a technical and artistic level on a fair number of releases renders their arrogance worthless to me and the fan following just as pitiful. I don't entirely hate the project itself, though, as I kind of did grow up listening to that band and have had their early releases for many, many years. Though, the demos are just sitting in a shitty box somewhere in an old room I used to live in, haha. I'd say the same about a band like Goatmoon but I find their music to be total fucking trash. While I do find the ideology of these bands problematic as a very left-wing person, it isn't really what makes it "disgraceful" to me as I'd say a fairly large amount of the music I listen to and love is right-wing or perversely problematic. The thuggish stupidity that goes along with these particular bands is garbage.
 
Lets see if i can get this in correct english.
I find the chase for image desgraceful. If i understand it correctly it might be a hint of what SiegeCore is talking about? Stupid image as a front to sell albums, but mostly fake image. I am not very familiar with Peste Noire and Goatmoon, but as you say band that make shitty music, but try gaining something by overwhelming image. GG Allin did it right. He followed up on the image. He was just....GG Allin. George Fisher i remember got a lot of shit thrown at him when he admitted liking playing wow, said it killed his image. Fuck that, he is honest. For me no lack of respect. Ash in Nargaroth, great music but there was smething about him years ago, running his mouth (cant remember exactly now what it was) wich for me made him a disgrace to metal. Mudwayne.....ffs i hate that shit. Alot can be said about loads of european Bm bands and their image chase, like sacrifising to satan and all that crap. Atleast some of those make decent music. Now.....finally....Danzig. I have heard alot of stories with him being a tough guy, then sending his bodyguards or band members or what not to kick peoples asses. this includes fans tat wants a autograph. That is a disgrace in my eyes. I listen to some of his stuff, but the man himself is a disgrace to the metal community doing that shit.

Example:
http://www.theprp.com/2015/10/20/news/fan-allegedly-beaten-up-by-glenn-danzig-security-speaks-out/
 
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