What do you see as a 'disgrace' to metal music? Why?

[The Ozzman]

Hair-metal in the old days and bro-metal today.

Most of the hair metal I listen to is more enjoyable than atmo-whatever though

 

[EspaDa]

Still better than Heretic (though perhaps not as big of a disgrace).

definitely. Heretic may be a below par album, but it's not at the level of Illvd Divinvm Anus abomination.

 

[valderrama]

fred durst

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

I might come off as hypocritical here, but the most toxic thing in metal is the blatant hero worship trend in the last six or so years. Sure bands like Portrait and Chthe'ilist are fun and all, but to what end really?

 

[The Ozzman]

I might come off as hypocritical here, but the most toxic thing in metal is blatant hero worship trend in the last six or so years. Sure bands like Portrait and Chthe'ilist are fun and all, but to what end really?

Both of those bands are good but overrated tbh

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

I agree. I was just pointing out blatant hero-worship bands.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Hero worship has been a thing since basically forever. Every metal scene is basically by definition a kind of hero worship, a handful of pioneers and then dozens of copiers to follow. I'd love them if any of them had the writing abilities of their heroes.

 

[no country for old wainds]

portrait actually have high potential IMO and wrote probably my favourite epic of the decade in 'lily', but that just makes their fate worship more frustrating if anything. they're really disjointed because they seem torn between aping their favourite bands and doing their own thing, when they'd clearly be a better band if they just did the latter.

and yeah while i agree it sucks, i also agree with HBB that this isn't a recent phenomenon.

 

[The Ozzman]

This is a major disgrace

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Fixed that for you

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

 

[HamburgerBoy]

The Circus Maximus is a good example of a band's disgrace being better than their canon.

Mystification isn't a disgrace, it's just shit.

 

[CiG]

Definitely not as good as Trivium, with their masterful twin vocal style.

 

[The Ozzman]

Definitely not as good as Trivium, with their masterful twin vocal style.

Agreed

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

Hero worship has been a thing since basically forever. Every metal scene is basically by definition a kind of hero worship, a handful of pioneers and then dozens of copiers to follow. I'd love them if any of them had the writing abilities of their heroes.

Perhaps my perspective is skewed, but I just feel like it has been a lot more egregious of the last few years. Pretty much every hyped release I get around to sounds like DsO/Gorguts or is a blatant call back to the early 90's or 80's. I remember when I was originally posting oh here (2006-2008) all the hyped releases at least sounded fresh (stuff like DsO, Agalloch, Portal etc.). Maybe I'm just missing some things

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Perhaps my perspective is skewed, but I just feel like it has been a lot more egregious of the last few years. Pretty much every hyped release I get around to sounds like DsO/Gorguts or is a blatant call back to the early 90's or 80's. I remember when I was originally posting oh here (2006-2008) all the hyped releases at least sounded fresh (stuff like DsO, Agalloch, Portal etc.). Maybe I'm just missing some things

The only difference is that it's easier to find music. Today anyone can copy any band from any time, in the 80s you were limited to copying whatever you could find in the store or from your friend.

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

Yea I guess it's the double edged sword. Less content control brings more options and less options simultaneously.

 

[Omni]

portrait actually have high potential IMO and wrote probably my favourite epic of the decade in 'lily', but that just makes their fate worship more frustrating if anything. they're really disjointed because they seem torn between aping their favourite bands and doing their own thing, when they'd clearly be a better band if they just did the latter.

and yeah while i agree it sucks, i also agree with HBB that this isn't a recent phenomenon.

Agreed. I'd love to see Portrait reach their potential, although I am skeptical that it will ever happen.

 

[SiegeCore]

Personally, I find a band like Peste Noire to be pretty disgraceful to metal more so than a lot of these really terrible post-metal bands that have been popping up for almost a decade or whatever. Something about their particular right-wing dumb-thug personas and the way that the music is very underwhelming on a technical and artistic level on a fair number of releases renders their arrogance worthless to me and the fan following just as pitiful. I don't entirely hate the project itself, though, as I kind of did grow up listening to that band and have had their early releases for many, many years. Though, the demos are just sitting in a shitty box somewhere in an old room I used to live in, haha. I'd say the same about a band like Goatmoon but I find their music to be total fucking trash. While I do find the ideology of these bands problematic as a very left-wing person, it isn't really what makes it "disgraceful" to me as I'd say a fairly large amount of the music I listen to and love is right-wing or perversely problematic. The thuggish stupidity that goes along with these particular bands is garbage.

 

[isberg]

Lets see if i can get this in correct english.
I find the chase for image desgraceful. If i understand it correctly it might be a hint of what SiegeCore is talking about? Stupid image as a front to sell albums, but mostly fake image. I am not very familiar with Peste Noire and Goatmoon, but as you say band that make shitty music, but try gaining something by overwhelming image. GG Allin did it right. He followed up on the image. He was just....GG Allin. George Fisher i remember got a lot of shit thrown at him when he admitted liking playing wow, said it killed his image. Fuck that, he is honest. For me no lack of respect. Ash in Nargaroth, great music but there was smething about him years ago, running his mouth (cant remember exactly now what it was) wich for me made him a disgrace to metal. Mudwayne.....ffs i hate that shit. Alot can be said about loads of european Bm bands and their image chase, like sacrifising to satan and all that crap. Atleast some of those make decent music. Now.....finally....Danzig. I have heard alot of stories with him being a tough guy, then sending his bodyguards or band members or what not to kick peoples asses. this includes fans tat wants a autograph. That is a disgrace in my eyes. I listen to some of his stuff, but the man himself is a disgrace to the metal community doing that shit.

Example:
http://www.theprp.com/2015/10/20/news/fan-allegedly-beaten-up-by-glenn-danzig-security-speaks-out/

 

[SiegeCore]

Lets see if i can get this in correct english.
I find the chase for image desgraceful. If i understand it correctly it might be a hint of what SiegeCore is talking about? Stupid image as a front to sell albums, but mostly fake image. I am not very familiar with Peste Noire and Goatmoon, but as you say band that make shitty music, but try gaining something by overwhelming image. GG Allin did it right. He followed up on the image. He was just....GG Allin. George Fisher i remember got a lot of shit thrown at him when he admitted liking playing wow, said it killed his image. Fuck that, he is honest. For me no lack of respect. Ash in Nargaroth, great music but there was smething about him years ago, running his mouth (cant remember exactly now what it was) wich for me made him a disgrace to metal. Mudwayne.....ffs i hate that shit. Alot can be said about loads of european Bm bands and their image chase, like sacrifising to satan and all that crap. Atleast some of those make decent music. Now.....finally....Danzig. I have heard alot of stories with him being a tough guy, then sending his bodyguards or band members or what not to kick peoples asses. this includes fans tat wants a autograph. That is a disgrace in my eyes. I listen to some of his stuff, but the man himself is a disgrace to the metal community doing that shit.

Example:
http://www.theprp.com/2015/10/20/news/fan-allegedly-beaten-up-by-glenn-danzig-security-speaks-out/

Not sure if English is something you write in normally, but if I get what you're saying, I think you pretty much understood what I was trying to get at...

I mean, so much of metal music is fantasy, you know what I mean? And that's actually a really great thing. I think that it's good for the creative mind to have that creative agency to pursue that fantastical outlet of "misanthropic" and "aggressive" expression, as a musician and a listener. More so than any other music, I don't "believe" the bands. Specifically black metal bands, I don't really think they are as misanthropic or anti-society as the image makes it seem or cannot sustain it past a few years, as there's too much of a networking and "cult" mind to a lot of this stuff that, at least to me, implies a certain functional distance from the topics they talk about - I don't know how outsider a lot of bands truly are and that's fine.

I just think the hooligan thuggery of bands like Peste Noire is so attention grabbing and reliant on internet hype and merch buying that it's more Instagram posing than really tough shit. Idk, just my opinion. Not entirely discrediting the band, they have some decent tracks. But it's lame, on another hand....