why all the hate for STYE??

[DE4life]

His mixes and overall sound are nowhere near Clayman. He is a decent player for that kind of music, and good composer too from what I could hear, but he cant mix for shit.
Guitar sound reeks of that plastic fizziness, and drums could not sound any thinner even if the dude wanted them that way.

Oh, I agree that the mixing isn't great. But it's still closer to Clayman than R2R. It's the closest reference I can give. His drums are midi drums I believe so that's probably why they sound shit

 

[A88]

Well you could get a better sound out of drum program he uses.

I agree about the RTR-Clayman stuff. RTR has almost no connection musically to Clayman. Is still has some "old magic" feeling, but it's a new genre. Muddy production and a lot of fillers.

 

[DE4life]

A few of the leads on some of the R2R songs are reminiscent of Colony/Clayman but there isn't a single track on R2R IMO that fits on Clayman as a whole song.

R2R has far more in common with STYE, as hard as that is for people to accept Clayman was the end of In Flames golden era and R2R was the beginning of the nu era.

 

[A88]

the beginning of the nu era.

Nice touch!

 

[DE4life]

That's how I roll

 

[Jester313]

If you like STYE then you must (or should) like the various American metal bands like Shadows Fall, KSE, etc... because it's of the exact same mould.

I really like STYE but I don't really like Shadows Fall, KSE (used to like them but then realized they just make the same music all the time), etc.

I find it interesting when people link R2R to Clayman. The most oft-used phrase is "if the production was cleaner most songs would fit onto Clayman"... and that's just not true I've heard clean (production wise) versions of Trigger, Minus, Cloud Connected and System... and none of them would fit on Clayman. The song-writing is totally different.

I always wanted to hear R2R with cleaner production, or at least normal production of the vocals. I do like the rest of the production, it's just the vocals are much harder to hear/understand because of the production/effect. I figure everything without the production would sound like Watch Them Feed, which I think would've made R2R a much better album, despite at least the second half of the album following the same formula.

 

[DE4life]

The songs on R2R sound much, much better with a more crisp production. The guitar leads buried in the original mix sound a lot more vibrant when they're at the front of the song rather than hidden beneath everything else.

IMO In Flames made a mistake with the production on R2R. They obviously wanted to go down a 'different' route, but I don't see what positives they achieved by muddying the mix. The vocal mix was the worst. Cleans were passable but why did they take all the power out of Anders' screams?

 

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[Silent_Scream]

i like STYE much better than ASoP and SoaPF and even play it more than LS. I'd say for me it's on par with RtR

The Quiet Place, Dial 595 Escape always get me pumped in the gym more so than anything off ASop and SoaPF.

However RtR has Cloud Connected and System as well, both have their fair share of horrible songs - Transparent and Bottled for example.

 

[krofius]

Yeah Transparent REALLY is nothing special IMO. However, I love the last few seconds of the song, it sounds like Cannibal Corpse's ''Stripped, Raped & Strangled''.