Why are melodeath and brutal death such despised genres?
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Krigloch the Furious
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DarkBliss
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Lykathea Aflame are definitely exceptional. Elvenefris has certainly withstood the test of time for me. Both IB's albums are good. I slightly favor the debut over the second full-length, though. Wormed sounded completely faceless the last time I've listened to them(funny thing, a user on rateyourmusic actually PMed me and recommended that I reconsider my low rating for Planisphaerium. Perhaps I should. ) The rest I still haven't heard. Will do as soon I stop obsessing over some of the stuff I'm currently attached to
V.V.V.V.V.
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Krigloch the Incredible Bulk said:
*plenty of bands that no one or very little people have heard of. And some that a lot of people have.
I just tend to be good at describing stuff.
DarkBliss said:
Understandable since your taste lies more in old-school/atmo death (iirc...) than in cleaner produced, more modern stuff.
DarkBliss said:
Wormed are perhaps the most extreme death metal band ever...however, I can see you finding them "faceless"...
byrne
Certavi et vici
brutal death, i just dont like the sound of. it bores me in general, although i do listen to a limited selection that i have become fond of. i tend to prefer the thrashier death metal over more brutal stuff.
melodeath, as distinct from melodic death, is terribly derivative and therefore really doesn't do anything for me. it is typically very metalcore-ish, repetitive and dull. that being said, i havent heard any of the ones vvvvv mentioned, but truthfully im not all that interested.
melodeath, as distinct from melodic death, is terribly derivative and therefore really doesn't do anything for me. it is typically very metalcore-ish, repetitive and dull. that being said, i havent heard any of the ones vvvvv mentioned, but truthfully im not all that interested.
V.V.V.V.V.
Houses Ov Mercury
Are you kidding? Melo-death is "metalcore-ish"? What rock have you been living under...the modern American melo-deathcore scene has only been around for the past 5 or so years, whereas melo-death (as in Gothenburg) has been being practiced since the early 90s in Scandinavian countries...melo-death metal has (or originally had) nothing to do with metalcore.
Oh please...Stabwound are hardly revolutionary at all. Dime a dozen brutality. Done a million times before. Wormed are structurally complex and extremely original sounding. A raw-ish production belies the generally complex sound of the music...slight experimental approach here and there...amazing drumming from all sides...gravity blasts galore. And Phlegeton is a million times better than Uffe.
Jrgen said:
Oh please...Stabwound are hardly revolutionary at all. Dime a dozen brutality. Done a million times before. Wormed are structurally complex and extremely original sounding. A raw-ish production belies the generally complex sound of the music...slight experimental approach here and there...amazing drumming from all sides...gravity blasts galore. And Phlegeton is a million times better than Uffe.
Shit...I thought "Brutal Death Metal" was just a redundancy...Death Metal is brutal music - if it is not, it isn't Death Metal. I don't agree with the 'atonal' designation. If a clearly 'brutal' band like Vital Remains is to be called 'atonal' then I give up. Death Metal is Death Metal...I desire no further delineation than that.
Krigloch the Furious
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Hatebreeder
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I tend to gravitate towards death metal bands that are speedy and highly technical, i.e. Morbid Angel, Death, Vader...you know the type.
V.V.V.V.V.
Houses Ov Mercury
If you think Morbid Angel are HIGHLY technical, you need to get your ears checked, or have some kind of insanely hyperbolic term for actual tech-death like Gory Blister, Blastfame, Gorod, et al.
There are a few types of brutal death metal. One was pioneered in the early 90s in New York by bands like Suffocation. It emphasizes technicality through rhythmic interplay and includes fast blasts, tremolo riffs, some slams, and breakdowns (not ridiculous ones, though). The other (and less popular) version originates in Texas and was pioneered mainly by Devourment on their debut, Molesting The Decapitated. It features a murky guitar tone, less speed and technicality, and more groove and slam riffs. At times it can sound almost like really heavy, percussive hip-hop(!). Death metal is invariably "brutal" music...but in the context of the subgenre of death metal itself, there are enough bands playing BDM to delineate it further into its own "sub-subgenre." If that makes any sense...
OldScratch said:
There are a few types of brutal death metal. One was pioneered in the early 90s in New York by bands like Suffocation. It emphasizes technicality through rhythmic interplay and includes fast blasts, tremolo riffs, some slams, and breakdowns (not ridiculous ones, though). The other (and less popular) version originates in Texas and was pioneered mainly by Devourment on their debut, Molesting The Decapitated. It features a murky guitar tone, less speed and technicality, and more groove and slam riffs. At times it can sound almost like really heavy, percussive hip-hop(!). Death metal is invariably "brutal" music...but in the context of the subgenre of death metal itself, there are enough bands playing BDM to delineate it further into its own "sub-subgenre." If that makes any sense...
Krigloch the Furious
Pants full of poo
or it could be talented musicians actually wanting to play something that is hard for them to play...
Zephyrus
Tyrants and Slaves
Melodeath isn't my specialty, besides In Flames and DT. Brutal death isn't either, but I'm pretty well-versed in it due to my acquaintance with Cookiecutter.
cookiecutter
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V.V.V.V.V. said:
NYDM and TXDM are like my two children that I can't choose favorites from. I love them both. V5 is spot on with his appraisals too.
Zephyrus
Tyrants and Slaves
V.V.V.V.V.
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Necuratul said:
Not necessarily. Though some tend to be wanky (Spawn Of Possession, Crimson Massacre), a good majority (the aforementioned Gorod and Gory Blister) also write spectacular songs.
cookiecutter said:
Wait a minute. What the fuck? So now there's a difference between "Melodeath" and "Melodic Death Metal".... I thought "Melodeath" was shorthand for Melodic Death Metal.
P.S. Technical Death Metal is for people who can handle time changes and technicality.
P.S. Technical Death Metal is for people who can handle time changes and technicality.
V.V.V.V.V.
Houses Ov Mercury
There are enough bands playing melo-death (which is basically power or heavy metal with a number of more "death metal" influences, including growled/snarled vocals, somewhat aggressive song structuring, more feral riffs, and perhaps some technicality) and enough bands playing death metal that is melodic enough (that is, melodic enough to distinguish it from run-of-the-mill DM bands), aka. "melodic death metal" (a much more literally definitive genre name than "melo-death" for sure!) for them to be separate genres.
Also, since your taste seems to be mainly "melo-death" (I'm a huge Soilwork fan, by the way!...check my last.fm in my signature if you don't believe me), I'd suggest you listen to Intestine Baalism - Banquet In The Darkness. It's the best example of modern melodic death metal (FUCK Vehemence!).
And FYI, "melo-death" IS short for melodic death metal. But these bands are not even death metal. Hope that clears things up.
Also, since your taste seems to be mainly "melo-death" (I'm a huge Soilwork fan, by the way!...check my last.fm in my signature if you don't believe me
), I'd suggest you listen to Intestine Baalism - Banquet In The Darkness. It's the best example of modern melodic death metal (FUCK Vehemence!).And FYI, "melo-death" IS short for melodic death metal. But these bands are not even death metal. Hope that clears things up.
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