AngelWitch73
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I forgot to mention too that my favourite DT song of all time is "Space Dye Vest". Anyone else like that one ?
Why the hell does someone think Dream Theater sucks?!
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Autumn Falls
Ace Harding, P.I.
DT are definitely great songwriters... Space Dye Vest is proof of that. KM has such an awesome style of playing.
AngelWitch73
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Sanity
MetalHeadicus Maximus
Cromma Key is a band that he started and the one disc that I own has a progressive pop rock sound. I found it real cheap at this online store's clearance section.
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JesusChristPose
Logic Dictates
Alfonso
What a member!
Jim Matheos from Fates Warning has put together a new side project. I'm thinking it will sound like Disconnected-era FW... anyway, the lineup has Portnoy on drums, Kevin Moore on keyboards and Cynic's Sean Malone!
As for DT themselves... they need a producer, badly. The last 2 albums are great, but they're really exceeding on the wanking a little bit... they need some focus. Still, the new album (6DoIT) is really really good, transitional, etc. It's nice to know that they're trying to broaden their musical horizons.
As for DT themselves... they need a producer, badly. The last 2 albums are great, but they're really exceeding on the wanking a little bit... they need some focus. Still, the new album (6DoIT) is really really good, transitional, etc. It's nice to know that they're trying to broaden their musical horizons.
Raven777
Discipline In Nothing
I have mixed feelings when it comes to Dream Theater...
On one hand they are brilliant musicians and they are masterful players. On the other hand, Mike Portnoy can't sit still and groove in one time signature for more than 30 seconds, Petrucci can't stop wanking scale after scale on the neck pickup... and Labrie can't make any word that rhymes with 'day' sound convincingly recognizable. Sometimes I think John Myung is the one member in Dream Theater who is the most musical. That dude can groove and he has some wicked, melodic bass lines. I miss the melancholic and abstract element Kevin Moore brought to albums like 'Images And Words' and 'Awake.' He is one fuck of a keyboard player, and a songwriter as well ('Space Dye Vest' anyone?) Call it blasphemy or whatever, but 'Awake' still stands to be my favorite Dream Theater album simply because it has the strongest consistency in songwriting. 'Scenes From A Memory' is awesome but I don't like the lengthy instrumental masturbations that pop out throught it.
When it comes to progressive music, I'll take Porcupine Tree, Pain Of Salvation, and the classics (old Genesis, Rush and King Crimson) over Dream Theater, simply because D.T. are killer musicians but they haven't ever reached their full potential.
On one hand they are brilliant musicians and they are masterful players. On the other hand, Mike Portnoy can't sit still and groove in one time signature for more than 30 seconds, Petrucci can't stop wanking scale after scale on the neck pickup... and Labrie can't make any word that rhymes with 'day' sound convincingly recognizable. Sometimes I think John Myung is the one member in Dream Theater who is the most musical. That dude can groove and he has some wicked, melodic bass lines. I miss the melancholic and abstract element Kevin Moore brought to albums like 'Images And Words' and 'Awake.' He is one fuck of a keyboard player, and a songwriter as well ('Space Dye Vest' anyone?) Call it blasphemy or whatever, but 'Awake' still stands to be my favorite Dream Theater album simply because it has the strongest consistency in songwriting. 'Scenes From A Memory' is awesome but I don't like the lengthy instrumental masturbations that pop out throught it.
When it comes to progressive music, I'll take Porcupine Tree, Pain Of Salvation, and the classics (old Genesis, Rush and King Crimson) over Dream Theater, simply because D.T. are killer musicians but they haven't ever reached their full potential.
actually the wanking and soloing has calmed down a bit, on the title track on the new album there are i think 2 key solos and 2 guitar solos in the entire 40 mins. That was quoted by MP himself somewhere b4 the cd came out.
PrinnyD00d
Everyone's Bitch
For a while, I was listening to DT (gotta stop calling Dark Tranquillity and Dream Theater the same thing) quite a lot...was really into them. Lately I've become kind of bored with them, but I still think they're a good band. I understand a lot of the problems people have with them, but I guess it really depends on what kind of mood you're in when you listen to them. I really like a lot of their more simple/mellow stuff like Anna Lee, The Hollow Years, etc.
General Zod
Ruler of Australia
While I wouldn't say that DT sucks, I would say that I don't listen to them. I find LaBrie's voice way too annoying to actually make it through an entire Dream Theater song. It doesn't matter whether he sings high, low, or somewhere in between... I hate the sound of his voice. On top of the LaBrie Factor, I feel that they have become entirely too self-indulgent. Case in point, on their most recent disc, only one song is less than 9 minutes, and one track is actually over 40 minutes. Granted, song length is not the measure of a band. Although, it would seem that Prog Metal bands are certainly under a different impression.
GZ
GZ
i used to LOVE dream theater, just because it was the only prog band i had heard. then i found there is a shitload of better stuff out there. i still think that scenes from a memeory is their best cd, IMO 6DOIT is horrible (except for "the glass prison"). 6DOIT is REALLY cheesy. in scenes from a memeory DT's softer songs sounded kinda like floyd songs, but their soft songs on 6DOIT (which has to many ballads to begin with) sound like slightly progressive (or maybe just lengthy) cheesy pop ballads with solos.
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people would say the same about spiral architect or cynic, and we all know that those bands write songs that are extremely organized and thought out. in fact 6DOIT is DT's most organized cd, yet its the one i like least.
is it just me or was disconnected fates warning's worst cd? we all know that they are capable of better (AWAKEN THE GAURDIAN!!! \m/
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Thorns of Sorrow
My pic is squished
I think the band went downhill after they got Jordan Rudess, I miss Kevin Moores songwriting in the band, and I also miss Sherinians syle of playing. I have never studied a guitar players playing as much as I studied Petrucci's almost all my guitar playing life was dedicated to studying his phrasing and his playing. I was so enamored by his playing from Images and Words to FII, and like especially Liquid Tension after Liquid Tension, Rudess was in the band, and if anyone studies the music of DT they can tell you that, Scenes from a Memory as awesome as it was, was GREATLY influenced by Jordan. Although I loved SFAM, Petruccis playing had changed, no longer did he have that cool Berklee sound, he was always the perfect middle ground from Satch and Vai, his playing was now more alternate picked and staccato sounding, his note selection wasnt at all that interesting, and Petrucci started to sound alot like Rudess. This can be seen in Petruccis unaccompanied guitar solo in Live in Tokyo, which full of amazing melodic and technical elemnts, it had feel, it had it all. Compared to his LSFNY solo, which was layden with obnoxious alternate pick runs all over the neck, which was cool at first, but really had no long time effect on me.
Take a solo like "Metropolis part1" its full of chromatic, locrian and lydian ideas, more so its the awkward phrasing of that solo that is awesome. Then you take "The Glass Prison", now that is playing fast for the sake of playing fast, and that is something Petrucci NEVER did. I think Petrucci, had to adapt to the sound Jordan brought in the band, and in doing so, he compromised his style, both soloing, and songwriting. Jordan has the repuation of being repetitive in his playing, and I do admit as much as I love Jordans playing from a technical standpoint, his solos do sound mostly all the same.
I dont think the Petrucci that wrote the Under a Glass Moon solo, or the beatiful piece Moon Bubbles will ever come back, I actually believe Petrucci is now happy with his playing, enough so that he is recording his own solo album. Dream theater, would not be who they are today w/o Jordan Rudess, the sucess the band has enjoye dthe past 3 years, I believe is all due to him. Do I like the new DT sound? Its ok, I just cant listen to it all that much before I get bored of it, and before it gets stale to me. Theres a million people that would say otherwise, that DT has finally matured as band, and matured as players, therefore their last 2 release were their most mature to date. I dont doubt that, in fact I agree, but like I said the period of time that I find DT has touched me the most, and where I can listen and listen and never get tired is 1990 - 1998, after the LTE's is when the "SFAM Jordan sound" had taken over DT.
Take a solo like "Metropolis part1" its full of chromatic, locrian and lydian ideas, more so its the awkward phrasing of that solo that is awesome. Then you take "The Glass Prison", now that is playing fast for the sake of playing fast, and that is something Petrucci NEVER did. I think Petrucci, had to adapt to the sound Jordan brought in the band, and in doing so, he compromised his style, both soloing, and songwriting. Jordan has the repuation of being repetitive in his playing, and I do admit as much as I love Jordans playing from a technical standpoint, his solos do sound mostly all the same.
I dont think the Petrucci that wrote the Under a Glass Moon solo, or the beatiful piece Moon Bubbles will ever come back, I actually believe Petrucci is now happy with his playing, enough so that he is recording his own solo album. Dream theater, would not be who they are today w/o Jordan Rudess, the sucess the band has enjoye dthe past 3 years, I believe is all due to him. Do I like the new DT sound? Its ok, I just cant listen to it all that much before I get bored of it, and before it gets stale to me. Theres a million people that would say otherwise, that DT has finally matured as band, and matured as players, therefore their last 2 release were their most mature to date. I dont doubt that, in fact I agree, but like I said the period of time that I find DT has touched me the most, and where I can listen and listen and never get tired is 1990 - 1998, after the LTE's is when the "SFAM Jordan sound" had taken over DT.
holy shit, i never noticed that before, your right! i love the metropolis part1 solo, and i love his guitar work in liquid tension.
as for missing sherinian? why? all he gave us was falling into infinity *gag*. moore was da best.
Thorns of Sorrow
My pic is squished
Well yeah, Sherinian also helped re organize ACOS, which was a mess before he was in the band, and I love his solos on ACOS. LOL and I happen to like FII, well a few songs, LITS, Peruvian Skies, Trial of Tears, Burning my Soul...heheh seriously I like that album 
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