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[Shpongled]

haha tyler you just totally contradicted yourself with those back to back posts.

 

[Anvil]

Not really. 2% is still 140 million people, plus the 860 million people who are non-religious.

 

[Shpongled]

What difference does that make? 2% of any amount is a minority.

 

[Anvil]

In the grand scheme, yea, Atheists and Agnostics are a minority, I was saying in the context of people, there are still a billion people who don't believe in a deity.

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

There are almost 7 billion people in the world, dude. That's a fuckin minority.

 

[Kvlt Wench]

But:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/us/27atheist.html

Polls show that the ranks of atheists are growing. The American Religious Identification Survey, a major study released last month, found that those who claimed “no religion” were the only demographic group that grew in all 50 states in the last 18 years.

 

[Anvil]

...I'm aware, I already contradicted myself.

The point I'm trying to make is that Atheists all seem to think they're alone in their thinking, when 1/6th of the world are with them.

 

[WhiteBeastofWotan]

But:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/us/27atheist.html

 

[Kvlt Wench]

That deserves a

 

[Lord Foul]

Well, now that Atheism is getting trendy you are obligated to distance yourself from the movement.

 

[Dead Winter]

I was going to mention that, but I don't really think it's a trend as much as it's people finally starting to think for themselves. I guess you could label me as agnostic, but my line of thinking tends to lean more towards an atheist's mindset. Not necessarily their beliefs, but their "prove it to me" mindset.

 

[Lord Foul]

Eh, people thinking for themselves were surely responsible for all the myriad religions we already have. I shudder to think what close to a billion idiots will come up with next.

 

[Det Som Engang Var]

I'm sorry but I have just as much viking ancestory as most of you that do, probably more. If you need a 19 year old to tell you "adopting the pagan gods" isn't as stupid as beleivining the one being shoved down your throat, you're an idiot.

 

[Kvlt Wench]

Haha wtf does that have to do with anything? And I'd say believing in a fictional pantheon is just as stupid as believing in a fictional monotheistic god.

 

[Det Som Engang Var]

Haha wtf does that have to do with anything? And I'd say believing in a fictional pantheon is just as stupid as believing in a fictional monotheistic god.

It has to do with Dark Noise's post on the first page, and that's exactly what I just said!

 

[El Stormo]

Isabel, I like you, I really do, but:

I am labeling myself an atheist. We're an underrepresented minority.

No, "you" aren't. "You" are made up of people who don't know what atheism is but call themselves atheists because they think it sounds cool.

You = agnostic.

 

[Kvlt Wench]

It has to do with Dark Noise's post on the first page, and that's exactly what I just said!

You said isn't as stupid, but okay I see what you mean.

And no Stormo, I'm not an agnostic because I'm not undecided on the issue. Don't dismiss my viewpoint as "trying to be cool" just because you have a different definition of atheism.

 

[Lord Foul]

Believing that there is no god but being willing to change your opinion if presented with compelling evidence to the contrary is a valid definition of atheism in my book.

 

[El Stormo]

And no Stormo, I'm not an agnostic because I'm not undecided on the issue. Don't dismiss my viewpoint as "trying to be cool" just because you have a different definition of atheism.

You agree that atheism = firmly believing that there is *no* God or higher power, yes?

Also, agnostics are no "undecided", agnostics believe that the nature of God is, in its essence, unknowable. They are quite decided on the unknowability of God.

Believing that there is no god but being willing to change your opinion if presented with compelling evidence to the contrary is a valid definition of atheism in my book.

Yeah, well... your book... your book... is, like... Gay! There!

 

[Kvlt Wench]

I'm not going to claim that I'm 100% positive that there is no god because I like to base my decisions on proof and you can't prove that something doesn't exist. But since I have no reason to believe, I don't, and therefore I am an atheist.