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because they actively identify themselves as white supremacists? their music is fuelled by their beliefs?
put it this way. hitler was almost objectively a skilled leader and an incredibly gifted speechgiver. do people just ignore the whole genocide thing and praise his skills? no, because of what he represented - and rightly so.
people like MLK and jefferson might have held questionable morals and practises, but they weren't present in what they were respected for.
Einherjar86
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Their music isn't "fuelled by their [national socialist] beliefs."
Their music is inspired primarily by intense love and respect for a connection with ancient pagan traditions in their homeland, which have no viable tenacity to racist beliefs or bigotry. Their lyrics, speaking purely of these nationalistic ideals, can be heard and enjoyed without making false connections with racism.
Nowhere, that I can recall, do Nokturnal Mortum actually say "Kill the Jews and the black men and the Ukraine will riiiiiiise!" Or anything else along those lines.
Their music is inspired primarily by intense love and respect for a connection with ancient pagan traditions in their homeland, which have no viable tenacity to racist beliefs or bigotry. Their lyrics, speaking purely of these nationalistic ideals, can be heard and enjoyed without making false connections with racism.
Nowhere, that I can recall, do Nokturnal Mortum actually say "Kill the Jews and the black men and the Ukraine will riiiiiiise!" Or anything else along those lines.
oh well you're the expert but from the outside its all nazi stuff to me. and probably to a lot of other people that dont listen to nsbm. i guess part of the appeal of never listening to it ever comes from having to deal with shit from people like me. :Smokin:
damnromulans
Klingons do not faint
I can separate political/ideological beliefs of a band and their music, but people with NS beliefs are shitty people because they "disapprove" of most things I stand for.
reminder that lord belial exist and kiss the goat is literally one of the best bm albums ever made (but dont listen to anything made after '99 except for their newest album which is ok)
here's the opening track:
here's the opening track:
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MasterOLightning
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Are you sure you're thinking of "Vastness and Sorrow"? And the first album sounds far, far, far more like Weakling than the second, to the point where I dislike the first (because I think Weakling sucks), but I actually enjoyed Two Hunters quite a bit. The first WITTR album has at least a few riffs that are blatant, blatant ripoffs of other BM bands. Bands that the audience is likely to know, but still, there's nothing cool about borrowing riffs from so many bands so often.
Hubster
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Being an ethnic person myself, I can understand where krampus is coming from, but it took me some time to separate the right-leaning politics in NSBM, and allowing myself to appreciate it for just being art.
Art should be the listener's objective, not politics. (Politics in art is of course acceptable. Political extremity in art assists creativity, but is not soley the only path to effective creativity).
Eligos
Problem Yet to be Solved
Heavy is the crown is the type of person who hates Lil Wayne's music until he sees the VH1 Behind the Music or whatever that show is called and he's like, "Now that I know where he's coming from, I will pay for his music because the background makes it less shitty."
Seriously if you like music for ideologies and aesthetics you're going through the wrong medium. Read a book and attend fashion shows.
Glad to see the old av back hubster
Seriously if you like music for ideologies and aesthetics you're going through the wrong medium. Read a book and attend fashion shows.
Glad to see the old av back hubster
Eligos
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im going to ignore what you wrote because its gay and i already adressed that but why is it every single metal fan seems 2 see the world in purely black and white scenarios
Eligos
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Einherjar86
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You're the one looking at everything in terms of black and white. You won't listen to bands like Nokturnal Mortum because of their ideologies; no exceptions. You don't even take the time to read their lyrics or try and understand anything else about them.
You're a hypocrite, plain and simple.
EDIT: Eli ninja'd me.
That whole thing you just said was so fucking hilarious
... I'll let you figure out why.
heh yeah i guess i see everything in black and white because i can't get around the fact that national socialist black metal is racist
listen, shut up
Hail The Wizard!
Baptised by Gasoline
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Exiled From Light is pretty good. If you like that band then listen to When Mine Eyes Blacken (stupid name I know). It's the same guy playing almost exactly the same style, but I think it's a little better than Exiled From Light.
Hail The Wizard!
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Yeah actually that's how I discovered Exiled From Light, I listened to When Mine Eyes Blacken first 
I love this kind of thick depressive stuff.
I love this kind of thick depressive stuff.
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Yeah me too. I think we are probably the only ones on the forum though. Speaking of thick, depressive stuff have you heard Funeral Mourning? It's doomier than most bands of the genre and its very good.
Hail The Wizard!
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Yeah Drown in Solitude is a stunning album. I found out about them when I was listening to Abyssmal Sorrow, another great "thick" band.
ASD
observing the sabbath
In response to the last couple of pages:
I might get flamed for this, but I think Vertebrae might be my favorite Enslaved. It's obviously less metal, but I still enjoy a hell of a lot. Ruun is either tied with it or in a close second. Whatever, all their stuff is great to me, with the exception of Vikingligr Veldi (I still don't get what people see in it) and Monumension to an extent.
Um, all Alcest is amazing, though not particularly black metal (haven't heard the new one yet, but I can assume it's great and more black from what I've read)
Let's see....aaand, WITTR isn't anything special but is good when you're in a black metal mood and don't know what other band to listen to. But definitely not as engaging for me to do the whole "lie down with my eyes closed and listen"-deal.
I might get flamed for this, but I think Vertebrae might be my favorite Enslaved. It's obviously less metal, but I still enjoy a hell of a lot. Ruun is either tied with it or in a close second. Whatever, all their stuff is great to me, with the exception of Vikingligr Veldi (I still don't get what people see in it) and Monumension to an extent.
Um, all Alcest is amazing, though not particularly black metal (haven't heard the new one yet, but I can assume it's great and more black from what I've read)
Let's see....aaand, WITTR isn't anything special but is good when you're in a black metal mood and don't know what other band to listen to. But definitely not as engaging for me to do the whole "lie down with my eyes closed and listen"-deal.
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