Black Metal.

[dwellerINTHEdark]

Check out OdiumNostrum. It's been a while but that's a page I follow. You probably won't like it but blah.

 

[CiG]

Check out a record store, cunt.

 

[dwellerINTHEdark]

So everybody's good saying that black metal can be classified based on sound rather than ideology, yes?

 

[Draehl]

So everybody's good saying that black metal can be classified based on sound rather than ideology, yes?

Yep. There will always be fringe cases. IE proto BM or hybrid acts, but it ultimately comes down to sound.

 

[The Butt]

I'd argue it's not strictly about sound. I doubt you'd encounter many people willing to classify Christian music that is black metal in sound, actual black metal.

I sure as hell wouldn't.

 

[dwellerINTHEdark]

Yeah, but I would cuz it sounds the same. Not many other genres out there that would all of a sudden become another genre because of lyrical content, is there? I get the concept, but it's pretty silly.

 

[The Butt]

You can't be part of a genre when you are an affront to the foundation the genre was built upon - and one of the things black metal was built on was anti-Christianity.

 

[dwellerINTHEdark]

It depends how deeply embedded into the values you are.

 

[The Butt]

I mean, you can feel free to call it "Christian black metal". I can't stop you.

You'd still be wrong though.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Is black metal the only musical genre that this applies to? There are a lot of types of music with differing views expressed in them, including other types of metal. How do you make the distinction on when this is applied to the music?

 

[dwellerINTHEdark]

It comes down to if Euronymous would put his seal of approval on it or not. Even though his ideology was definitely not the final word on reality.

 

[The Butt]

Is black metal the only musical genre that this applies to? There are a lot of types of music with differing views expressed in them, including other types of metal. How do you make the distinction on when this is applied to the music?

All genres of music are built upon some underlying ideology somewhere down the line; musical or not. Black metal just so happens to have a little of both.

Pop requires simplicity and hooks.
Rock and roll requires a certain "bad boy attitude".
Black metal requires an opposition to Christianity, but will settle for at least secularism; anything other than praise.
Prog metal requires it be bad.

Again, you can't be part of a genre when you are an affront to what said genre stands for.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Yeah, I would definitely have to dispute your claim that rock music requires a bad boy attitude, as even some of the earliest rock music doesn't capitalize on that in the slightest despite being inarguably part of that genre.

I also don't think all pop music has to simple.

 

[The Butt]

Do you deny that there is a certain "attitude" that is inherent to all rock music? I guess "bad boy attitude" was a poor way of putting it, but you have to admit rock and roll is a bit... greasier sounding than other genres of music.

 

[dwellerINTHEdark]

Unblack metal ist krieg.

 

[Elric of Melniboné]

Do you deny that there is a certain "attitude" that is inherent to all rock music? I guess "bad boy attitude" was a poor way of putting it, but you have to admit rock and roll is a bit... greasier sounding than other genres of music.

It really depends on the musician. Take Roy Orbison for example.



Even "Oh, Pretty Woman" doesn't have much going for it in the way of attitude and is a narrative of a man who wants to talk to a pretty girl but doesn't have the guts. The only reason that it happens is because she turns around and talks to him. That's probably about as raucous as he ever was.

 

[Talos of Atmora]

Prog metal requires it be bad

Aw. Oh well, different tastes I suppose.

As for black metal, I haven't really been into the genre for a long time. To be honest, the only things I like so far are Gorgoroth's first two albums and Darkthrone's first six (I liked Soulside Journey. Not as much as their black metal releases but still...). Honestly, when it comes to having such minimalist values to your music, you still need to be smart about how your compositions are made and I think Darkthrone do an excellent job of this. They know how to properly convey atmosphere AND make kickass metal simultaneously in those seminal releases. Hell, they even did that until Total Death.

 

[Phylactery]

Oh how I wish I was just getting into black metal all over again and listening to all those amazing classic albums for the first time.

 

[Talos of Atmora]

Oh how I wish I was just getting into black metal all over again and listening to all those amazing classic albums for the first time.

Oh, this has been something I've been trying to get into for the past couple of years or so. I mean, you're going to run into some assholes who decide to give you shit for listening to Agalloch (yes, I know they have elements of post-rock and I don't care) but it's been pretty cool so far.

 

[Internally Deformed]

As for black metal, I haven't really been into the genre for a long time. To be honest, the only things I like so far are Gorgoroth's first two albums and Darkthrone's first six (I liked Soulside Journey. Not as much as their black metal releases but still...).

Not a fan of early Enslaved or Immortal?