wagontrain
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Nocternity is great. Are they going to release an LP this year or is that EP all we will get? I hope we get an LP, because the Harps of the Ancient Temples was outstanding.
I find myself wondering what your thoughts on Velvet Cacoon are. I am guessing that, theoretically, it is not possible to fully enjoy, absorb, comprehend, or philosophize about their music, since their entire existence was meant as a joke and thus their message, at best, nonexistent....
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Next time you want to summarize an argument with some "sarcasm", perhaps you should actually read said argument. Or just forget about it all together.
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If you think Velvet Cacoon's message is "nonexistent" then I don't think you have looked into them very deeply at all. They are certainly some of the more notable artists to emerge in the last few years. They are an interesting example to bring up, as if you focus only on their music you are missing out on what makes them worth a deeper look - sure, the music was at the very least competent, but the musical aspect of Velvet Cacoon was only a part of what they were about, and probably a secondary part. Supporting the notion that their music wasn't all that important to them is the fact that they didn't even bother to write much of it through either plagiarism or imagined demos. They were an artistic experiment not so much in the musical sense but in marketing creativity and media manipulation, designed to spread political and philosophical musings and expose the scene at its most credulous. Finntroll is one thing, but here you have the other meaning of "troll metal."I find myself wondering what your thoughts on Velvet Cacoon are. I am guessing that, theoretically, it is not possible to fully enjoy, absorb, comprehend, or philosophize about their music, since their entire existence was meant as a joke and thus their message, at best, nonexistent.
Nevermind that they made incredible music.
Fine, so long as you don't mind me correcting you when you misrepresent my position.Or I can feel free to trivialize this essentially trivial argument by trolling and not reading every word of it simply because it's there. I've seen and participated in this argument a dozen times, so forgive me for being less than entirely sincere and eager to do it again. I've been gone for a week, so I've missed a lot, and catching up on the ins and outs of this particular dialogue does not interest me much.
...language and music are incomparable mediums, for starters. Though, if you want to use the poor execution as grounds for condemning a work, you might want to take that Countess album out of your signature. Unless of course that album is just background music for you.
There is a point where great intentions can overcome inept execution, and another where poor execution hinders the artist's expression of their intent.
So what are these principles that make the comparison invalid? In both cases the artist is trying to convey an idea that is lost or at least diminished due to inexperience with the medium. Seems simple enough to me.Regardless, poorly translating an idea from one's native language to a more universally understood language involves sufficiently different principles and qualities to negate a comparison to a soloist that just isn't very good at playing his instrument, and I don't think it needs explaining. Lastly, oftentimes the mere vocabulary employed in constructing song titles is sufficiently descriptive enough to properly engage a work, and broken English does not negate this. That said, I've never heard the band in question, but it's certainly not because of a bit of Engrish.
They're great live. Wrong thread though.Is Sahg any good? I saw their CD for only $8, but I was reluctant to buy it because I haven't heard any of their songs.
Odalmore people should listen to Odal and Nocternity
Fine, so long as you don't mind me correcting you when you misrepresent my position.
So what are these principles that make the comparison invalid? In both cases the artist is trying to convey an idea that is lost or at least diminished due to inexperience with the medium. Seems simple enough to me.
What's the purpose in getitng vinyl? It's not like people still use record players, but hearing black metal on a turn table would be interesting.
I have Onyx by Nocternity on vinyl and it is pretty cool. What else would you recommend J?
What's the purpose in getitng vinyl? It's not like people still use record players, but hearing black metal on a turn table would be interesting.
^So are there newer type record players being made post-2000 made for newer vinyl releases and where can I get one at? I'm actually surprised so many of you still use record players, I thought this was just the age of Ipods and CD's and Vinylsd are just a thing of a collector's item.