Charlie giving Bush the Finger?
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Whatever the case may be, I'm just happy it turned out the way it did and where they are at this point
Nothin' against Bush.
Jrod
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Regarding the more popular era of Anthrax, it's obviously Joey's first stint in the group. But when the new Armored Saint was released last year, I either read or heard an interview with John Bush where the interviewer asked him about Anthrax selling less records and tickets after he joined. His response was that it was probably hard for the rest of the guys, but for him it was like "All right, we're going to be able to eat tonight. This is great."
Maybe it doesn't fit here so much, but it seemed funny to me. Also, success kind of depends on your perception.
Maybe it doesn't fit here so much, but it seemed funny to me. Also, success kind of depends on your perception.
Mustaine is the #1 offender for this stuff. Promoting the current lineup by portraying the old one in a bad way.
Instead of saying more people are coming to see Joey than John, Charlie could have said "the response has been great, and lots of people are coming to the shows". And I'm not really a fan of Busthrax. I thought SOWN was good, but I lost interest after that. If Bush is ever back in the band, this comment will come back to haunt him like Scott's Bird/Lion comment.
What all that shit does is damage the credibility of the band. I bought the reunion DVD with Joey and Spitz, and that had video showing them all hugging and talking about how great it is to be back together, water under the bridge, yadda yadda yadda. Then when the reunion fell through, they were all talking about they didn't really come together for the right reasons.
So right now, this lineup is the best, everything is great, blah blah blah. Wait until Joey's next depature, then we'll hear what a disaster all this was from day one.
I hope this lasts a long time, with more albums coming from it. However history tells me that this could implode at any time.
Instead of saying more people are coming to see Joey than John, Charlie could have said "the response has been great, and lots of people are coming to the shows". And I'm not really a fan of Busthrax. I thought SOWN was good, but I lost interest after that. If Bush is ever back in the band, this comment will come back to haunt him like Scott's Bird/Lion comment.
What all that shit does is damage the credibility of the band. I bought the reunion DVD with Joey and Spitz, and that had video showing them all hugging and talking about how great it is to be back together, water under the bridge, yadda yadda yadda. Then when the reunion fell through, they were all talking about they didn't really come together for the right reasons.
So right now, this lineup is the best, everything is great, blah blah blah. Wait until Joey's next depature, then we'll hear what a disaster all this was from day one.
I hope this lasts a long time, with more albums coming from it. However history tells me that this could implode at any time.
With the reunion you have to remember that to them at that moment, it did feel right. It's how it evolved that ended up making them realised and question how they felt about it. I do agree Charlie could have worded things better about how things are now.
I don't. Never say never in metal. Quiet Riot's continuing without any original members.
Sgt-D
Ratavanikufesin
There could be a second Anthrax: John Bush, Danny Lilker, Dan Spitz, Paul Crook, and Greg D'Angelo. They could call it X-Thrax or something.
Neil Turbin, Dan Spitz, and Danny Lilker with another guitarist and drummer for Two Fists Full Of Metal.
Dear John,
It's not about the live show, concert attendence. The fact is that Anthrax's Joey era was by far a much bigger band. Sold a ton more albums, played much larger headlining tours, and in general most people associate Anthrax with the Joey thrash era.
I know you like to think it would be the same if you were still in the band. But that is not true. The amount of hype that this new album is getting simply because Joey is back in the band is huge for them. If you were on vocals there would not be remotely as much hype as now.
A lot of the metal fans at these huge tours with Slayer, Metallica etc didn't even know Joey was back in the band and are now back on board and will probably go buy or at least take the time to download the new album. If you were on vocals they probably wouldn't give it the time of day.
So I know you get a little upset when Charlie or others say that Joey is a more popular choice for Anthrax but that is just a fact. You shouldn't take it so personal.
Hey John,
Better production? I think not. Don't mess with songs that are already classics. You may think you are some heavy aggressive vocalist but you really aren't.... unless you think saying 'yeahh' and 'ohhhhh' during the song makes it more aggressive. If I want more aggressive I'll listen to a bands like Slayer or Pantera. For Anthrax the albums Joey did were excellent they way there were and shouldn't be messed with. The cover band that did the TGOTE is not even close to the same caliber as the originals. Hope you have the best of luck in Armored Saint!
Jrod
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Agreed for the most part. I will say that prior to TGOTE, I had always wondered what a studio version of older songs would sound like with Bush singing them. I wish I could still wonder. I like John Bush, but I hated that EP or whatever you'd call it. I hope they didn't spend more than $20 making it.
Not sure why you think he's John though.
While I "Liked" GOTE, it could have been better....although I felt his versions of the Turbin songs were the highlights.
Technically speaking , er, yes. Think about it, at least 14 years difference in recording and production techniques btween the last Joey era album POT and TGOTE, so by default, yes TGOTE is a better production, loud mastering notwithstanding..........
There are albums that were recorded in the 60s and 70s that sound light years better than TGOTE. TGOTE sure as hell doesn't sound better than Dark Side of the Moon or Night At The Opera. Just because it was recorded recently with more modern equipment doesn't mean it's going to sound better (and it doesn't). For that matter, you give the POT or ATL master tapes to the right person (a Steve Hoffman type) to remix and I guarantee you that those original albums will sound better as well. The job Hoffman did on Master of Puppets and Ride the Lightning in the 90's sound amazing and I'm willing to bet the Anthrax discs would as well with the same type of remixing job.
