COB start writing new album

[snowy]

The problem with Blooddrunk had nothing to do with it's tone (for me at least), it was super crappy production for which I blame Tagtgren as Hypocrisy '05 had the same issue.

Well production is a pretty broad term. Has to do with tone in my opinion.

 

[rj rl]

By tone I mean every aspect of sound musician is responsible of (i.e. guitar/pickup/amp/cab), by production - mainly digital post processing and in our case especially the loudness war, infamous range compression.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

It's all about creativity. Sounds and technical side are just the tool of creativity. I think if Alexi has a vision of certain sound in his compassion, he can usually make it happen. It's strange when some people here compare Bodom Blue Moon with Cry of the Nihilist, I mean the part with slow chuggy riff, maybe it looks same on paper, but CotN sounds like shit and BBM sounds incredibly creative.

 

[Marowak]

You can't expect people not to make some technical observations. I don't think BBM is any more creative than CotN really. It's more tight and energetic maybe, especially with the vocals.

 

[Deadman5hadow]

You can't expect people not to make some technical observations. I don't think BBM is any more creative than CotN really. It's more tight and energetic maybe, especially with the vocals.

agreed. CotN is may be better.
how about tie my rope verse?

 

[Deadman5hadow]

Deadman's hand on you sounds very wintersin'ish to me. check the slow song by them : Time (slow chorus) - Sleeping stars.
and yeah the song is very thematic and dark. it fits very well with the album artwork.

 

[Marowak]

Well I'm not trying to start a versus thing here.. I just brought up CotN because I thought it had some similarities to the BBM sample. I actually think BBM is going to be better, almost like a refined version of CotN, but that's just a personal opinion.

I can hear similarities to that riff in Tie My Rope. Tie My Rope is more thrashy in comparison though.

 

[Deadman5hadow]

yeah it has similarity with tie my rope (tempo rythm riffing vocal flow ..) and some modern thrash cotn have.
the melody that go after that when they re talking are RRF and BD type. melody on these album are without any tastes imo.
so this song is a my be a mix of BD and RRF. dont expect much for it.
BBM is the worst song so far (based on these 10 sec preview). if it has some blowing mind interlude (like in transference) or magnificent chorus (like bodom beach terror) i will change my judgement.

 

[EvilKatarn]

Against my better judgment I went back to the Track by Track video and tried to listen to the tracks they were talking over.

And, well, BBM and YDAN actually sound pretty good. Especially Your Days are Numbered, I can't wait for that one now. Both seemed to have some pretty crazy lead guitar stuff going on.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

You've only heard a short sample, why you all talk about them like full songs? If you only heard TMR verse you wouldn't know it has one of the finest melodies (which sounds more epic in demo version).

 

[baldymort]

You've only heard a short sample, why you all talk about them like full songs? If you only heard TMR verse you wouldn't know it has one of the finest melodies (which sounds more epic in demo version).

Man that demo got my hopes up so high for Blooddrunk. The chorus melody is one of the greatest things Bodom has ever done.

 

[rj rl]

What's that demo you're talking about?

 

[baldymort]

What's that demo you're talking about?

 

[Marowak]

You've only heard a short sample, why you all talk about them like full songs?

BBM sounds incredibly creative.

Hypocrisy.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

^Ok you caught me. ^^

Yeah that demo sucks compared to the rerecorded one, but the epic melody that comes in after the 1:50 riffs sounds so much more emotional in this demo than on the album.

 

[baldymort]

Yeah that demo sucks compared to the rerecorded one, but the epic melody that comes in after the 1:50 riffs sounds so much more emotional in this demo than on the album.

To me the production on the demo is way better. The BD version sounds so rough and unmastered. Solo in the demo is way better too. The solo on the re-recorded version is so abrupt and just comes out of nowhere.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

For me the intro keyboard on the new version was shockingly good, and the solo sections are fucking amazing, but the 2:05 melody in the demo is the best this song has to offer. But I can't get excited about this now on the eve of the new, promising album. TMR was oh-so-new back in 2007. Strangely enough the song I listen to most from Blooddrunk these days has been Roadkill Morning.

 

[children of COB]

I actually went back a few pages to reread the posts before I posted because I had no idea what the fuck you are crying about. I even did find command for "tone" and found one comment from Rune stating that the older school tone is a notch better. Maybe you're mistaking "sounds like" for "tone"?

And you definitely said "EVERYBODY would figure this out" and "EVERYBODY is waiting for..", but in reality a lot of posts here specifically acknowledge the fact that they're only hearing samples. And it seems like most people are liking the samples.

This thread was pretty shit for me before any album art/samples came out. But now that there's actually something to discuss, I don't even mind Joonas's posts now. Honestly, I very much understand his interpretation style and appreciate it even if most don't. Colors and metaphors can be powerful descriptions, especially with music.

It's like... I just saw this giant wall of text that didn't make sense and felt compelled to respond, but I shouldn't have because I'm propelling the same hypocrisy!

I do know the difference between tone and sound, but quite some people here interchange them quite frequently, which is understandable since not everybody is a musician and/or knows about those things, nor should they need to know to comment, this is after all a free online message board.

Go ahead and tell me how my points don't make any sense. You may want to understand first that not agreeing about something doesn't automatically make it void of sense.

THESE*

Aye Mr Grammar Nazi, I'll show my way down a cliff, don't worry

Acutally I'm pretty sure that if they had mixed Blooddrunk in Follow the Reaper "style" (lot more reverb, thinner drums, less "punch" overall) most of the people who post here would have gone nuts and it would be the FTR#2 for them. Regardless of the riffs.

They may have, yep, particularly with some songs which are actually not that bad, but you've been here long enough to know the pattern, so you see that now that Blooddrunk is 3 albums ago and not the new shit all of a sudden it's not that terrible anymore, when as it came out it was blasted all over the place (deservedly, since it's their worst album in every regard, I can't get over how bad the final production is, it ruins the good songs for me) and RRF was widely welcomed as also an attempted "return to the roots" sort of.

The problem with Blooddrunk had nothing to do with it's tone (for me at least), it was super crappy production for which I blame Tagtgren as Hypocrisy '05 had the same issue.

I'd say yes and no, since we never actually heard the dry guitar, bass, drums... tracks, so it could be that the recorded tone was actually good, or it may have already been spiked and too distorted/"screeching" for a lack of better term. But anyhow, what I see as the important part for us fans is that the final product's sound was terrible. I mean, even Something Wild sounds better and it was almost recorded with as little as possible.

agreed. CotN is may be better.
how about tie my rope verse?

In a shocking turn of events, I'm going to refer to Joonas' post quoted below:

You've only heard a short sample, why you all talk about them like full songs? If you only heard TMR verse you wouldn't know it has one of the finest melodies (which sounds more epic in demo version).

And on TMR, I have to agree. I was expecting the album version because I wanted a version with stronger guitars (which to me is the only major knack on the Bam Margera version), but then they crapped the bed on BD's production and, weak guitars and all, I think the compilation version is actually better than the album version.

 

[(__Joonas__)]

I don't suppose I'll turn my wagon after a couple years and start missing something about RRF. Yes Blooddrunk was bad, but AT LEAST it still sounded dark and even mythical in some sections of some songs. There weren't many good riffs on the album, so it was very lacking in that department. But now after the gay, atmosphere less thrash riffing of RRF even the darkish riffing of Blooddrunk sounds good at times, even tho it's not musically interesting. There always were some very catchy songs like Hellhounds, ODYWC, and almost every song had some interesting parts. I've even started liking Roadkill Morning more. But when you were expecting something like the old days, naturally it was a disappointment.

RRF has good parts to it in almost every song, if I had to listen to one of its songs today it would probably be CotN. Usually the best Bodom songs never lose their touch, but I just don't care about the better songs on that album anymore. The best thing about the album was the orchestral hit that the band added later on for the SKO intro for live purposes. The album sounds less dark so maybe some nutbag thought it was some sort of return to the roots, but that's the most ridicilous thing I've ever heard. It just stopped being dark. RRF is like Blooddrunk but sounds more boring and has less interesting parts in it. I really don't care if it's got more riffing and stuff that's supposed to be more tricky to play but sounds boring as hell.

I'm very pumped up for this new album and I think it may be among my top three.

 

[Norbix]

HERE WE GO AGAIN!

My issue with certain people who trash talk RRF is like you said, it didn't sound 'dark and mythical'. It didn't, there's no arguing that. What annoys me is that because looking for certain elements in a song and not finding them will surely disappointing you. If you take RRF for what it is, which is a riff-oriented/atmopsheric at times new age bodom style, it fucking rocks. Not My Funeral and SKO still knock my fuckin' socks off! So when you argue that an album is bad because it's missing certain elements you want, it's not really a valid argument.

On the other hand, I have this feeling that Bodom Blue Moon is gearing up to be Bodom Beach Terror version 2.0, which would be amazing. Alexi said the vocals on that song helps it a lot, which can also be said for BBT.... wash your hands in the lake of your blood never gets old man.