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differences between U.S. and European metal
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Oh no a generic quote attack!
For the record, I find it funny that, for such a triumphant and outwardly rebellious style of music, some fans and bands sure are emo and defeatist about black metal.
For the record, I find it funny that, for such a triumphant and outwardly rebellious style of music, some fans and bands sure are emo and defeatist about black metal.
What's up, Mayhem, Satyricon and Dimmu Borgir? If Norway knows black metal is dead, they ought to tell their bands that.
Oh, and I'm pretty sure that Dimmu Borgir is the most well-known Norwegian band, so let's judge all Norwegian black metal off their incredibly high standard of amazing music. That's what USBM haters do with US bands.
Vilden
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I'll take a "generic quote attack" over a nonsensical insult anyday.
As for your second paragraph, that's even further removed from the truth. Black metal was majestic and magnificent, in its prime. Constant imitation and aping by lesser humans (some of whom actually having the tenacity to claim to be their predecessors equals!!!), however, achives no purpose but cheapening what once was (so clever).
I'll take a "generic quote attack" over a nonsensical insult anyday.
As for your second paragraph, that's even further removed from the truth. Black metal was majestic and magnificent, in its prime. Constant imitation and aping by lesser humans (some of whom actually having the tenacity to claim to be their predecessors equals!!!), however, achives no purpose but cheapening what once was (so clever).
Anyone who thinks modern black metal is only an imitation of older black metal that pretends to be equal to or superior to older music has probably listened to, at most, 5 albums from the 2000's.
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Houses Ov Mercury
And including retarded sensationalist terms like "lesser humans" 
lol: come on now) doesn't help your case either.
lol: come on now) doesn't help your case either.
Vilden
From the holy kingdom of Harmonia
Yeah, I agree that there are crap bands from all countries, the problem with US imo though is that there simply aren't any interesting black metal bands at all. No awsome bands to step on the shit bands. My interest in black metal has declined pretty much the past few years though so I've gotten pretty picky when it comes to bands. The classics are most of the time more then enough for me.
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Houses Ov Mercury
And including retarded sensationalist terms like "lesser humans"
Yeah, that didn't translate very well. Lesser artists*, then.
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Just because well-known bands from the '90s are still making music today doesn't mean the scene is still 'alive'. While I can't really speak for those first two, Dimmu Borgir's '90s material is certainly superior to the mediocre shit they're doing now.
I think the point they were trying to make was that Norway was only instrumental to black metal in the '90s (kinda like England was to all metal in the '70s and '80s), and since then the playing field has become level between Norway and, say, the U.S.
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Actually, I'm inclined to agree with you here. I rarely find bands outside of the 'forefathers' of a genre worth listening to. There's something to be said for looking to new musical horizons after a genre's already been established, and not beating it to 5000 deaths like most of today's metal artists tend to do.
On the other hand, though, if you care at all about the current metal scene(s), you have to have some level of faith in all those derivative bands. And I think most people on these forums are in that boat, so there's little point in using the forefather argument to peg one country as better than another when people here are enjoying the newer stuff just as much as the old.
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I don't think that's the point they were trying to make at all considering a lot of people including these Euro/Aussie dudes hate USBM for no logical reason (because Pitchfork reviews Xasthur albums, or something else dumb like that).
Also you need to read Omni's post better because that isn't what they were saying.
So who are you to decide what art is lesser than other art? Oh, and I really don't get how somehow could mix up "lesser humans" with "lesser artists" by mistake. Maybe you're more biased than I previously thought.
Have you heard of this thing called reading? You should try it sometime, so you could avoid making comments like this one.
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I don't think you're taking "they" to mean what I intended, so hang on a second. I meant it to mean people like you, who argued (see previous page) that Norway is no longer on top of the black metal scene like they were in the '90s. I was only trying to support your argument.
Have you heard of this thing called reading? You should try it sometime, so you could avoid making comments like this one.
See above. I'm not entirely convinced that you've been understanding my posts, so kindly explain to me what it is I'm 'not reading' before acting like a conceited jackass, kthx.
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Of course it is, because it IS correct. Better reasoning is this stinking turd:
Right so FOAD is shit, NWOBHM (EP) is shit, Hordaland Doedskvad is shit, and the list can go on. Even a sub-par Norsk Black Metal band like Gjenferdsel surpasses any lacklustre impostor garbage Leviathan or Xasthur will be putting out any time soon. The thing the US knows how to do is to copy Filosofem, period, except maybe adding their own "little original touch" of gain on steroids.
Tell me, legitimately, aside from Dead As Dreams, what can the US truly claim has been significant in Black Metal in comparison to not only Norsk Black Metal, but European Black Metal? Even Darkestrah, while not hugely popular, have created their last two works which are steeped in culture and true feeling unlike countless USBM releases before and after.
Zephyrus
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CrimsonVelvet said:
Says the fellow from Oslo.
But how many places in Europe have you had these conversations? It makes sense that a Norwegian would consider USBM inferior, but can you speak for other countries that set up Black Metal scenes at the same time as the US?
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