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My point was that after saying shit like that its hard to take anything you have to say ON THE SUBJECT serious ... especially when its presented in such an overtly aggressive manner and condescending tone
This must be based on factual non tainted source, I'm sure.Cops dont prevent crimes, they just try and solve them after the fact. Armed civilians prevent crimes.
Get your facts straight.
My point was that after saying shit like that its hard to take anything you have to say ON THE SUBJECT serious ... especially when its presented in such an overtly aggressive manner and condescending tone
False made up bullshit data from tainted sources. Find me one VALID source of information that hasn't been tampered with that has been posted on this subject in this thread ... I dare you... No worries ... Ill wait ....
My outlook on Gun Control is very simple. We don't need it, its been proven time and time again (yet doesn't get reported) that armed civilians prevent more crimes then the police do. Average response time of local police once called is 6 minutes. Average response time of a civilian with a gun is under a minute.
Would you rather sit around and wait for the cops for 6 minutes, or have a civilian with a gun take the perp out and be safe in under a minute...... Choice is yours ....
Ill take the grandpa with a gun over waiting for the cops anyway. I have shit to do during the day and don't have time to wait around for some asshole cop to respond. Cops dont prevent crimes, they just try and solve them after the fact. Armed civilians prevent crimes.
Get your facts straight.
Do you even understand the basics of debate? Generally when one disagrees with statistics and "VALID" sources of information the burden of proof is upon them to counter with what they consider valid sources - not to simply say "you all suck". Am I to assume that that your resources are really unbiased and statistically valid simply because they jibe with your opinions on the matter?
In case you missed it - I'm a gun owner and I'm also willing to at a bare minimum discuss areas in which we do have lax policy including the need to background check every sale of a firearm. I was background checked, I passed, I took the required classes, I applied for an received my concealed carry permit (one that I've renewed twice since the original issuance), I bought and registered my pistol and store it in a combination gun safe. I suspect that even if some level of that broad term "gun control", a term you seem to immediately equate to "taking away my guns", were to happen that I'd still retain the firearms I currently own - thus be able to defend myself and hunt (if I hunted).
Facts? Facts require resources. I'm pretty sure you can dig up some. Are they unbiased? Do they have an equal counter argument possibly relating to the number of accidental gun related deaths that occur from un-secure guns in households, or the statistically greater chance of having a family member kiled by the gun in your home?
Listen, I believe those counter arguments are just as valid as several pro-gun arguments (I'm just not sheepish enough to believe all the pro-gun speak) but I've made the personal decision to still own a gun, I'm not a simply deny,deny, deny type that thinks "what problem? there's no problem" because something might be in my interest.
As to your Facebook post? Why would you think that something you posted on your Facebook page would immediately become part of this thread? trust me - I'm not going to your Facebook page to find your opinion on these matters.
I did however see an interesting Tweet a few minutes ago.... oh wait, you didn't see that one too?
Sorry if I sound a bit like an asshole, it really is not intended to be as dickish as it seems. If you have statistics/data you believe more unbiased than those presented - please do share, perhaps instead of simply writing off open discussion you could participate and who knows - educate.
as always, individual mileage may vary.
Ah the crazy meme makers and the bending of the objective truth for their biased views...
Every modern leader knows how important is the image of his soldiers fighting for the benefit of the country and every modern leader would prefer his enemies to fight in woods and deserts instead of hiding behind women and children of the local population and then blaming the other side for their deaths.
Heavy collateral damage is just not good for the broadly understood interests of the country fighting in any war and insinuating that a politician as intelligent as Obama doesn't care about it is just not smart even if done half sarcastically.
Background checks are not going to stop criminals who want to get their hands on guns.
I read Owen's whole post in 2pac's voice in my head, it was epic
I read Owen's whole post in 2pac's voice in my head, it was epic
I read Owen's whole post in 2pac's voice in my head, it was epic
Hypocrisy is when you only see faults of one side of the conflict.The meme makers are biased towards humanity and not towards man made borders.
Damage is damage, collateral or not. And those "go-pills" can really fuck people up which we've seen last year or so.
Sorry man, all I smell is hypocrisy.
I read Owen's whole post in 2pac's voice in my head, it was epic
Hypocrisy is when you only see faults of one side of the conflict.
If it was so that when a terorist group has a base of operations only like 50 meters from other buildings in a village, then they can't be attacked - the war on terror would never progress a milimeter because terrorists would be perfectly safe under that shield.
Most of the time the local population is strongly against the Taliban bringing the war into their neighborhood, but they are forced to accept their presence or they would get declared enemies of Jihad and executed.
Sure that instead of bombing even with high precision hardware, sending troops to do surgical hits on such strongholds would reduce the collateral damage, but at a cost of the coalition soldiers lives.
So yes Obama is guilty of saving his soldiers at a cost of increased collateral damage and the Taliban are guilty of bringing the war to populated areas instead of letting the infidels kill them easily somewhere in the mountains.