GMD Votes: Black Metal prelims + discussion

[Draehl]

Power
Doom
Folk
Hybrids
etc

Aaaand here's where we can legitimately put greats like The Mantle, Verisakeet, Dopethrone, Blackwater Park, Time, etc. There's plenty of great albums that weren't able to make the other lists due to lack of purity or what have you.

 

[Master_Yoda77]

If we don't do a Doom metal (all genres are fine as long as it's more doom than death and such) then I'll just post my own top 10 and all ya'll fuckers can just bask in my amazing glory.

 

[Dak]

Oooooh man, BWP and The Dark Discovery are going on whatever hybrid/etc list is made.

 

[Nephilim96]

Black
Trad
Death
Thrash

I'd put Traditional and Death side by side, but otherwise I agree with this.

 

[Nephilim96]

I'd also say that Power metal at it's best is better than Thrash, but Thrash is much more consistent. 99% of Power Metal is crap.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

So you think power metal at its best is better than thrash at its best?

 

[Slayed Necros]

Or it just proves that this board is infested with BM-fellating WIMPS that have listened to all the obscure atmogaze black metal acts in existence while remaining ignorant of any non-big 4/Teutonic trio thrash.

Pretty much.

Also, who really gives a fuck what sub-genre any given person rates over another? I like shit from black, death, heavy, doom, power, thrash, and the albums at the top of each genre are essentially equal in terms of quality.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Thrash is Thrash is Thrash. You change it too much and it aint thrash no more.

Blackened thrash, death/thrash, crossover thrash, technical thrash etc

 

[Nephilim96]

So you think power metal at its best is better than thrash at its best?

Yup, but like I said, the vast majority of Power Metal is garbage, while Thrash has plenty of good stuff. For every good Power Metal album, there's 20 good Thrash albums.

Neither genre comes anywhere close to Death, Black, Doom, or Trad metal, though.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Or it doesn't prove anything except BM has a more diverse lineup. Doesn't mean its a "better" genre in quality, just that Thrash is Thrash is Thrash. You change it too much and it aint thrash no more. BM is simply more malleable and open to interpretation. That doesn't necessarily make it better.

"More malleable and open to interpretation" = the powers that be arbitrarily define metal sub-genres as widely or narrowly as they feel a need to. There's far more in common between, say, Metallica and Pantera or Slayer and Merauder, than there is between Root and Silencer or Bathory and Agalloch. However, "groove" and "tuffguy attitude" aren't kvlt so blackwimps can just pretend that stuff has nothing to do with thrash.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Yup

Please name some of the power metal albums that you think can stand with most of the albums from our top thrash lists.

Neither genre comes anywhere close to Death, Black, Doom, or Trad metal, though.

Did you mean thrash doesn't come anywhere close to those sub-genres because it's already on a much higher level than most of em'? If so than yes, i agree.

 

[Master_Yoda77]

Everyone that is jerking off to genre differences are gay as fuck. Just put on that Bathory album you want to listen to and remember that the good days are long gone.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

... words of wisdom.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Please name some of the power metal albums that you think can stand with most of the albums from our top thrash lists.

The Spectre Within
Irae Melanox

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

The Spectre Within

I knew you were going to name that album

I swear, i've tried and tried ... but the vocals are just too much for me, and that's a rare thing for me to say.

edit: Man i still haven't listened to any Adramelch.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

Please name some of the power metal albums that you think can stand with most of the albums from our top thrash lists.

80s power/speed metal easily stands up against the thrash greats. I wouldn't call it better or worse than thrash but like others have said, I'd have a hard time picking a preferred genre out of heavy, power, thrash, doom, black, and death metal. Each of those sub-genres have spawned some of the finest examples of heavy metal in the history of the genre.

Anyways, as far as power metal goes, these albums are among the best:

Fates Warning - Awaken the Guardian
Omen - Battle Cry
Helstar - Nosferatu
Liege Lord - Burn to My Touch
Attacker - Battle at Helm's Deep
Blind Guardian - Tales from the Twilight World
Brocas Helm - Black Death
Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys Part I
Agent Steel - Skeptics Apocalypse
Adramelch - Irae Melanox

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

Each of those sub-genres have spawned some of the finest examples of heavy metal in the history of the genre.

I agree with this, i just like fucking with the few people here who always seem to "belittle" thrash.

Anyways, as far as power metal goes, these albums are among the best:

Fates Warning - Awaken the Guardian
Omen - Battle Cry
Helstar - Nosferatu
Liege Lord - Burn to My Touch
Attacker - Battle at Helm's Deep
Blind Guardian - Tales from the Twilight World
Brocas Helm - Black Death
Helloween - Keeper of the Seven Keys Part I
Agent Steel - Skeptics Apocalypse
Adramelch - Irae Melanox

Cant get into Fates Warning, Battle Cry is fucking awesome but it's not power metal imo, Nosterafu rips, so does Black Death. I like most early BG to a certain extent but Somewhere Far Beyond is my favorite. Haven't listened to Attacker in years, never really got into them. I think the keeper albums suck balls, it's the type of power metal i try to steer away from, their first album was ok. Havent listened to Liege Lord or Adramelch. I think we should have maybe left this for the upcomng power metal list/thread

 

[Slayed Necros]

Cant get into Fates Warning

Keep trying. Heavy metal doesn't get much better.

 

[TechnicalBarbarity]

... horrific vocalist that ruins the rest of the otherwise good music for me.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

Battle Cry is pretty much the standard that defined US power metal in the 80s.