GMD Votes: Black Metal prelims + discussion

[Master_Yoda77]

I think I hate you all.

 

[The Butt]

YOU'RE DELUDED BRO!

Also, that's pretty hilarious considering who it's coming from.

In all honesty I'm fucking around, but you're still fucked for thinking thrash and DM are superior to BM.

 

[The Ozzman]

Maybe I could make it trad/power since both overlap at times

If I have to order preference:

Death
Trad
Thrash
Black

 

[crimsonfloyd]

Black
Trad
Death
Thrash

 

[Krow]

I only listen to thrash when all other metal resources are depleted.

 

[unknown]

Black
Death
Trad
Thrash
Power

 

[Dak]

Says the guy with the Secrets of the Moon avatar.

They are ok, I mainly liked the album cover art (obv).

Death
Thrash
Black
Trad
Power

 

[End of Glory]

Death
Thrash
Black
Trad

 

[unknown]

I also seem to go through phases. Five years ago I listened pretty much only to thrash and death metal. It comes and goes

 

[tagradh]

Black
Death
Trad
Thrash
Power

This is the correct order.

 

[Krow]

Traditional metal (doom, nwobhm included)
Black
Death
Trash

 

[The Ozzman]

Black is low on mine because I haven't listened to that much relative to the others. I'm sure this thread will help to increase its spot in the list. I have heard some stuff in this thread other than the obvious ones (like Dawn and stuff) and it all rules but I just don't have enough hours in the day to listen to all this shit.

Also: How do people feel about a fifth poll like this that would include anything not mentioned? So, we would have polls for:

Black
Thrash
Death
Trad

then a poll for others, so top albums consisting of anything in genres like:

Power
Doom
Folk
Hybrids
etc

That way we can do an aggregate Top 50 and have a definitive list.

 

[unknown]

I suppose it would depend on how much input the others would receive. Doom would probably get a fair amount of votes, and so might folk. However, "hybrids" and maybe even "folk" would probably get more than a fair amount of debate over what fits in the definition, etc.

 

[Baroque]

I think Doom is worthy of its own thread.

Yeah 'hybrids' would be confusing. I like the idea of an 'Other' topic, but just don't say hybrids imo. Stuff like thrash/death has already been covered by the thrash and death threads.

Oh and:

Thrash
Trad
Doom
Death
Black

 

[J.]

when we say "trad"...is this trad metal or trad doom, or both?

when we say "doom"...is this true doom or does it include death/doom, funeral, drone, etc?


and only black, doom, and trad are real

 

[The Ozzman]

I think Doom is worthy of its own thread.

Yeah 'hybrids' would be confusing. I like the idea of an 'Other' topic, but just don't say hybrids imo. Stuff like thrash/death has already been covered by the thrash and death threads.

Oh and:

Thrash
Trad
Doom
Death
Black

Well hybrid like 'doom/death' because diSEMBOWELMENT comes to mind

I do see your point though. Probably anything not covered in these. I'm willing to do Doom if there's enough interest

 

[The Ozzman]

Voting ends at end of business day tomorrow. Get your votes in!

 

[Werckmeister Harmonies]

It's a question of values. I really value total works of art and black metal tends to produce the most cohesive records where aesthetics, lyrics, ideology and sound unify into a total work of art. Black metal also strives to communicate the depths of the human condition and metaphysical reality in a way that I rarely find in other genres. That would be the reason I consider black metal superior to the other genres. It aims the highest, so when it hits the mark, it creates the truest and most pure works of art.

I agree with this with a minor reservation. I'd say there are a few trad.- and doom metal albums who also accomplish masterfully everything you list here and have the same (or similar) artistic merit as the most accomplished works of black metal.

So I've seen a few votes for Root - The Temple in the Underworld. I have the album and personally really like it, but how is this black metal? By association?

I guess so. I can relate to why many would not consider it black metal but I was under the impression it was generally accepted as part of the second wave along with Master's Hammer. I could be wrong though.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

All this prooves why black metal is the best genre. There's literally 100s of records being listed. So may bands have managed to make records that resonate within this genre.

Or it just proves that this board is infested with BM-fellating WIMPS that have listened to all the obscure atmogaze black metal acts in existence while remaining ignorant of any non-big 4/Teutonic trio thrash.

 

[Draehl]

Or it just proves that this board is infested with BM-fellating WIMPS that have listened to all the obscure atmogaze black metal acts in existence while remaining ignorant of any non-big 4/Teutonic trio thrash.

Or it doesn't prove anything except BM has a more diverse lineup. Doesn't mean its a "better" genre in quality, just that Thrash is Thrash is Thrash. You change it too much and it aint thrash no more. BM is simply more malleable and open to interpretation. That doesn't necessarily make it better.