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I've decided to move this article here, where it's probably more fitting.
http://www.detnews.com/2001/enterta...e12n-258616.htm
California rapper wakes up stifled generation in Cambodia
By Chris Decherd / Associated Press
PHNOM PENH, Cambodia -- Cambodians tend to treat the genocidal Khmer Rouge regime as a period to be forgotten: School textbooks barely mention it, popular literature glosses over it, parents are often reluctant to delve into their private horrors.
Now, a brash new rap album is breaking the taboos by telling young Cambodians about the darkest chapter of their country's history.
At parties, in bars and in homes around Phnom Penh, the album has teen-agers buzzing about songs on death, forced labor and broken families.
The End'n is Jus the Beginnin -- written by a Cambodian-American -- reflects on the years in the 1970s when 1.7 million people died in the communist Khmer Rouge's attempt to turn Cambodia into a large agrarian commune.
The 17-song album was recorded in a garage in Long Beach, Calif., by Prach Ly, a 21-year-old who has never returned to Cambodia since emigrating to the United States in 1983 at the age of 4.
He says he never envisioned the music having an impact in Cambodia.
"I was very surprised at how big this got. When I did it, it was just a demo, to pass around to a few friends," says Prach Ly in a telephone interview from Long Beach.
"The lyrics, the message had been inside me a long time, and I wanted to release it," he says, adding that he is hoping a record company will help him record the songs in a studio.
Three of the songs are in the Khmer language and the rest are in English interspersed with Khmer (pronounced Kh-maai).
"When I first heard this it was, 'Wow! This is exciting,' " says Nguon Phan Sophea, 24, who owns the Galaxy CD shop in Phnom Penh. He says he heard the CD last year at the home of a friend who had bought it in Long Beach, where many Cambodian immigrants live.
He borrowed the CD, made 50 copies, designed a yellow-and-green CD cover, called it Cambodian Rap and put the discs up for sale for $2 in his shop.
There are no laws protecting intellectual property rights in Cambodia and virtually all of the music sold here is pirated.
Nguon says he has sold nearly 300 copies of the CD and let Cambodia's largest music store, CD World, burn copies from his. CD World has sold more than 400 copies, store manager Chy Sila says.
The album has caught on among the trendy urban youth of the capital, who often have access to MTV and English-language lessons.
One verse in the Khmer language song "Born" says: "Power, property, girls, money. What's the use of them, if relatives, children, spouses, families are split up..."
The English-language track "In 1975" goes: "Families separated by sex and ages; We worked for food, and got kinda hazy; Put us in camp that we called the cages."
"I remember they shot him, shot point blank in front of his children ... I can't maintain. I'm going insane. Hell on earth, it can't get any worse."
The Khmer Rouge was ousted in 1979 after a four-year rule. Sociologists attribute many Cambodians' reluctance to dwell on those years to the Cambodian Buddhist philosophy of forgetting and forgiving.
During its rule, the Khmer Rouge banned all art, literature and music that did not praise the communist party and its leader, Pol Pot. Most performing artists, painters, doctors, lawyers and teachers were killed. People who wore glasses were identified as intellectuals and executed.
"They said intellectual people were not needed in the field ... books burned, schools turned into barns," say the lyrics of "In 1975."
Creativity was so systematically crushed that even 25 years later, little new work is produced. Recording companies recycle old love songs. Literature and filmmaking are nonexistent. Art consists mainly of generic, commercial paintings of Angkor temples and "apsaras," or celestial dancers.
Sophoann Sope Hul, 37, one of Cambodia's best-known disc jockeys, says a "deep fear" inhibits self-expression.
"Everyone wants to express themselves like these guys (Prach Ly and his band), but they're afraid," he says. "In Cambodia, no one would dare say what those guys say. It's inspirational."
"These songs are a step forward," he says.
Some people hope that Prach Ly's music will kick-start the creativity of a numb nation. A 23-year-old disc jockey known as NCK says he and his friends want to produce similar rap.
"We want to bring it to the new generation, and talk about reality, talk about society," he says.
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This, along with the argument made by The Trooper, shows what I think is the best thing about rap. The straight-forward no-nonsense approach to expression is so refreshing.
I have to disagree with you some, though, Trooper.
I think that by the time NWA came along, the whole "it's cool to be a gangsta," thing was already dominating. It was Colours by Ice Tea, along with the impact of the film, which seemed to usher in that whole fad and NWA just road in on the wake. (not that they weren't talented) Still, I agree that this stuff was, and is, fun to listen to. More importantly, it was right on. It expressed the inflated self esteem that people, especially teenagers, feel when they're roaming the streets with ten of their friends all packin' heat. If you listen to enough of that stuff, you can learn alot about the world. Fuck the bad press, I love gangsta rap. There's still a bunch of very good thugged out stuff out there, along with some very intellectual urban philosophy, it's just not on the pop charts.
A very interesting development, I think, is that of some of these gangsta rappers growing up and reflecting. Cypress Hill and Scarface are two examples. "I remember my days as a youth, teenage gangstas with somethin' to prove." - Sen Dog, Cypress Hill.
The mainstream of rap, now, is trying to get people do dance at the clubs and watch hot chicks dance. They rap about how great everything is because they've got money to burn. They try their hardest not to make people think. It's a boost to their resume if they can claim to have sold crack for a few years and been shot a few times, but it's career taboo to rap about that stuff.
Meanwhile, there's a truly extensive underground which addresses anything and everything in countless ways.
http://www.detnews.com/2001/enterta...e12n-258616.htm
California rapper wakes up stifled generation in Cambodia
By Chris Decherd / Associated Press
PHNOM PENH, Cambodia -- Cambodians tend to treat the genocidal Khmer Rouge regime as a period to be forgotten: School textbooks barely mention it, popular literature glosses over it, parents are often reluctant to delve into their private horrors.
Now, a brash new rap album is breaking the taboos by telling young Cambodians about the darkest chapter of their country's history.
At parties, in bars and in homes around Phnom Penh, the album has teen-agers buzzing about songs on death, forced labor and broken families.
The End'n is Jus the Beginnin -- written by a Cambodian-American -- reflects on the years in the 1970s when 1.7 million people died in the communist Khmer Rouge's attempt to turn Cambodia into a large agrarian commune.
The 17-song album was recorded in a garage in Long Beach, Calif., by Prach Ly, a 21-year-old who has never returned to Cambodia since emigrating to the United States in 1983 at the age of 4.
He says he never envisioned the music having an impact in Cambodia.
"I was very surprised at how big this got. When I did it, it was just a demo, to pass around to a few friends," says Prach Ly in a telephone interview from Long Beach.
"The lyrics, the message had been inside me a long time, and I wanted to release it," he says, adding that he is hoping a record company will help him record the songs in a studio.
Three of the songs are in the Khmer language and the rest are in English interspersed with Khmer (pronounced Kh-maai).
"When I first heard this it was, 'Wow! This is exciting,' " says Nguon Phan Sophea, 24, who owns the Galaxy CD shop in Phnom Penh. He says he heard the CD last year at the home of a friend who had bought it in Long Beach, where many Cambodian immigrants live.
He borrowed the CD, made 50 copies, designed a yellow-and-green CD cover, called it Cambodian Rap and put the discs up for sale for $2 in his shop.
There are no laws protecting intellectual property rights in Cambodia and virtually all of the music sold here is pirated.
Nguon says he has sold nearly 300 copies of the CD and let Cambodia's largest music store, CD World, burn copies from his. CD World has sold more than 400 copies, store manager Chy Sila says.
The album has caught on among the trendy urban youth of the capital, who often have access to MTV and English-language lessons.
One verse in the Khmer language song "Born" says: "Power, property, girls, money. What's the use of them, if relatives, children, spouses, families are split up..."
The English-language track "In 1975" goes: "Families separated by sex and ages; We worked for food, and got kinda hazy; Put us in camp that we called the cages."
"I remember they shot him, shot point blank in front of his children ... I can't maintain. I'm going insane. Hell on earth, it can't get any worse."
The Khmer Rouge was ousted in 1979 after a four-year rule. Sociologists attribute many Cambodians' reluctance to dwell on those years to the Cambodian Buddhist philosophy of forgetting and forgiving.
During its rule, the Khmer Rouge banned all art, literature and music that did not praise the communist party and its leader, Pol Pot. Most performing artists, painters, doctors, lawyers and teachers were killed. People who wore glasses were identified as intellectuals and executed.
"They said intellectual people were not needed in the field ... books burned, schools turned into barns," say the lyrics of "In 1975."
Creativity was so systematically crushed that even 25 years later, little new work is produced. Recording companies recycle old love songs. Literature and filmmaking are nonexistent. Art consists mainly of generic, commercial paintings of Angkor temples and "apsaras," or celestial dancers.
Sophoann Sope Hul, 37, one of Cambodia's best-known disc jockeys, says a "deep fear" inhibits self-expression.
"Everyone wants to express themselves like these guys (Prach Ly and his band), but they're afraid," he says. "In Cambodia, no one would dare say what those guys say. It's inspirational."
"These songs are a step forward," he says.
Some people hope that Prach Ly's music will kick-start the creativity of a numb nation. A 23-year-old disc jockey known as NCK says he and his friends want to produce similar rap.
"We want to bring it to the new generation, and talk about reality, talk about society," he says.
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This, along with the argument made by The Trooper, shows what I think is the best thing about rap. The straight-forward no-nonsense approach to expression is so refreshing.
I have to disagree with you some, though, Trooper.
I think that by the time NWA came along, the whole "it's cool to be a gangsta," thing was already dominating. It was Colours by Ice Tea, along with the impact of the film, which seemed to usher in that whole fad and NWA just road in on the wake. (not that they weren't talented) Still, I agree that this stuff was, and is, fun to listen to. More importantly, it was right on. It expressed the inflated self esteem that people, especially teenagers, feel when they're roaming the streets with ten of their friends all packin' heat. If you listen to enough of that stuff, you can learn alot about the world. Fuck the bad press, I love gangsta rap. There's still a bunch of very good thugged out stuff out there, along with some very intellectual urban philosophy, it's just not on the pop charts.
A very interesting development, I think, is that of some of these gangsta rappers growing up and reflecting. Cypress Hill and Scarface are two examples. "I remember my days as a youth, teenage gangstas with somethin' to prove." - Sen Dog, Cypress Hill.
The mainstream of rap, now, is trying to get people do dance at the clubs and watch hot chicks dance. They rap about how great everything is because they've got money to burn. They try their hardest not to make people think. It's a boost to their resume if they can claim to have sold crack for a few years and been shot a few times, but it's career taboo to rap about that stuff.
Meanwhile, there's a truly extensive underground which addresses anything and everything in countless ways.
-Rivfader-
Klingons on Uranus
Cannibal Ox
Aesop Rock - Fuck Bazooka Tooth Though, check out Labor Days or Float, probably the best out of the bunch though
Deltron 3030 - Really good CD IMO, sci fi theme is cool
Atmosphere
^^
Also would like to add:
Sage Francis
Jedi Mind Tricks
Doseone
Most of the time
Aesop Rock - Fuck Bazooka Tooth Though, check out Labor Days or Float, probably the best out of the bunch though
Deltron 3030 - Really good CD IMO, sci fi theme is cool
Atmosphere
^^
Also would like to add:
Sage Francis
Jedi Mind Tricks
Doseone
Most of the time
super nintendo chalmers
Faust or famine
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DALEK is the best hip hop ever. seriously. very experimental with a ton of influences from tons of genres. They've toured with wicked bands too like ISIS and Tomahawk. Just check them out people for fucks sake! If you have any interest in hip hop at all. Or if you have no interest! Like me. I had no interest in hip-hop until I heard Dalek.
