the_drip said:where is the field day over this thread on anus.com?
I can't find it.
KielbasaSausage said:their knowledge of music barely surpasses that of your average korn fan. i wouldn't worry about what they have to say.
I can see exactly where you're coming from. And I haven't heard Hail Horror Hail by Sigh, although I've heard their other stuff. It is very interesting and I dig it! But perhaps I haven't listened enough to find the contrupuntal techniques in it. I'd agree with your assessment of Busoni, and also Berg, although I'd say that even though Schonberg is indeed overrated (atonality was perfected to a greater extent in the Debussy Preludes!!) he does have some brilliant and beautiful contrapuntal compositions.The Scourge said:Excellent rebuttal. Well...........you call Ihsahn's style adventurous, and I suppose I could concede to that notion. But it really bothers me to hear some parts of that album(prometheus), because it would really appear that he is trying to follow the rules of counterpoint through a Bach-esque vehicle. He really exemplifies that he has only an incredibly modest knowledge of theory, and his "fugues" and "canons" are ultimately failures as they simply have a beginning, and end, and just a whole lot of nonsense in between. If you want "adventurous" counterpoint, and by that I mean what Ihsahn attempted to do with melding traditional ideas with modern sonic musings, then look no further than Ferrucio Busoni, preferably his piano concerto and later. But as far as metal goes, not one band has impressed me thoroughly when counterpoint, that is, traditional counterpoint is being used as a demonstrable commodity.
Except maybe for Sigh. You mention Schonberg(overrated in my opinion; Alban Berg was the REAL gem of the Second Viennese School), so perhaps you have heard the song "12 Souls" off of the Hail Horror Hail album? That is the only occurence of serialist music I have ever found in metal, at least deliberately anyways.
I must say, I am very impressed with your knowledge of twentieth century composers. Glad to hear you like Busoni; his elegies for orchestra, particularly the Berceuse Elegiacque, are just so lush and extravagant. You should really listen to his magnum opus, Doktor Faust, if you haven't already, or his other masterwork, the Fantasia Contrapuntistica.ControlledChaos said:I can see exactly where you're coming from. And I haven't heard Hail Horror Hail by Sigh, although I've heard their other stuff. It is very interesting and I dig it! But perhaps I haven't listened enough to find the contrupuntal techniques in it. I'd agree with your assessment of Busoni, and also Berg, although I'd say that even though Schonberg is indeed overrated (atonality was perfected to a greater extent in the Debussy Preludes!!) he does have some brilliant and beautiful contrapuntal compositions.