Mudvayne?
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Well as I said before, I have heard a whole album, it was the album that had Dig on it, and I wasn't impressed, I swap CD's with my mate sometimes, I game him The Avenger By Amon Amarth and Dead Heart In A Dead World by Nevermore, he liked both of them.
He gave me that Mudvayne album and Killswitch Engage "Alive Or Just Breathing" I think it is called, without looking too deeply, the one with the original singer.
KSE had the odd moment but I wouldn't buy it, if I could get a CD with the collection of good bits on I would, it would be a minute long lol
He gave me that Mudvayne album and Killswitch Engage "Alive Or Just Breathing" I think it is called, without looking too deeply, the one with the original singer.
KSE had the odd moment but I wouldn't buy it, if I could get a CD with the collection of good bits on I would, it would be a minute long lol
You my friend appear to be the one who doesn't know what metal is, I only mention marketing in relation to mallcore, which Mudvayne are. Or do you think that is all metal as well?SculptedCold said:
So in other words you have nothing to say but want the last word.NocturnalSun said:
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actually, necro joe, I just like getting that little thing called the POST COUNT up & running because I don't have much. i usually post what I think anyway. I was expecting you to retaliate anyway and flame me some more as you would probably do, so no I wasnt looking for the last word
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I'd beg to differ.
Sure they might want to be metal, but they ain't metal.
And just for the record, where did the term heavy metal come from?
I know the answer, but I just want to know if sculptedcold knows, seeing as he is telling us all what is, and isn't metal.
You will probably find the answer on google or something, if you don't know already that is.
SculptedCold
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Much as some of you deluded people might want to think metal all started with aggressive, underground bands such as Slayer and Death or whatever, the first metal band was undisputably Black Sabbath, and from that blueprint, all that is metal needs not be any more than downtuned guitars, simplistic rock and blues influenced time signatures, and that's about it. Its also interesting to notice that Black Sabbath were quite popular in their day, and had clean vocals too!
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Silverchair nu metal??? Silverchair have more actually playing talent than any other so called "nu" band around. Sure its mainstream music, who cares, Silverchair kick ass.![[0hr]Sunlapse](/data/avatars/l/12/12972.jpg?1086073981){kind=avatar}
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WTF ARE YUO TAKING ABOUT IF IT HAS SINGING ITS NOT METAL!!!! ITS GAY MALLCORE FAG CRAP!!1!11SculptedCold said:
What bullshit. Black Sabbath played neo-progressive rock and added morbid poetry, elaborate arrangements, minor key and power chord riffing and lots of moody darkness to create the foundations of a genre which has morphed in so many directions it cannot easily be defined anymore.SculptedCold said:
Many metal bands do NOT use downtuned riffs, does this make them not metal? No? Then that cannot actually be a factor of metal, which (by your definition) leaves only "simplistic rock and blues influenced time signatures" which could refer to anything from Nirvana to Radiohead to Busted to pretty much anything depending on your definition of a rock time singniture.
Commercial rock with detuned guitars (Mudvayne) is not metal now or ever.
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you really have no clue what you are talking about.... commerical rock = bands like Nickelback, Staind, Creed, etc.... Mudvayne sound absolutely nothing like them, detuned guitars or not.... you are sitting here saying so much shit about Mudvayne yet you can't even provide a single example to back up your argument. The only idea your argument is based on is the popular opinion among the "tr00" metalheads that Mudvayne are a "gay mallcore fag band", which, in itself, is the same bullshit based on a closed minded attitude, with no actual points to support. THAT is being a poser.Necro Joe said:
SculptedCold
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No shit mister. You want a pat on the back for using a bit of simple logic??Necro Joe said:
You'll notice I used the words 'needs not be any more than'.
Pay more attention to simple semantics and you won't trip over yourself like a fool so much.
The Mudvayne I have heard uses simple detuned powerchord riffs played semi-fast over "funky" bass lines repeated with minute variation over three minutes with sections where the guitars drop away completly to allow the singer to croon a verse before the catchy courus line (with little or no riff) is alternated with said verse/riff section. Simple rock song structures, little to no intricate musicianship, angsty "meaningful" lyrics and obvious (but shitty) hook lines to appeal to a mass audience brought up on Nirvana and Korn. Spare me your ignorance please.
Sculpted Cold: What are you whingeing about? My point still stands, you DO NOT know what metal is.
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*ahem*
Their song structures are quite wandering and creative at times, with progressive qualites as shown in songs such as "Cradle", "Severed", "Prod", and "(K)now (F)orever", among many others.... there is quite a lot of variation.... the rhythm section is very tight, the guitar and bass are in good coordination, while the drums are technical and handle the tricky rhythms with ease.... they are able to take these qualites and use them to make very well written and sometimes quite complex songs.... they also have very good melodic/agressive tendencies.... the lyrics are clever and quite angry at times (i guess thats the "angst" you are referring to.... but tell me something.... how are the 99% of other metal bands' cheesily "evil" and "dark" lyrics any better.... not that I care, but you are quick to mention lyrics)...
Like I said, the fact that you consider their music based on simple rock structures and obvious hook lines just proves you know absolutely nothing about this band, you are just one of the "tr00" posers that joins in on the so-called "mallcore" bashing. Go ahead try to find simplistic rock structure or an obvious hook in a song like Cradle or (K)now (F)orever. Sorry bub, you are the ignorant one here.
Their song structures are quite wandering and creative at times, with progressive qualites as shown in songs such as "Cradle", "Severed", "Prod", and "(K)now (F)orever", among many others.... there is quite a lot of variation.... the rhythm section is very tight, the guitar and bass are in good coordination, while the drums are technical and handle the tricky rhythms with ease.... they are able to take these qualites and use them to make very well written and sometimes quite complex songs.... they also have very good melodic/agressive tendencies.... the lyrics are clever and quite angry at times (i guess thats the "angst" you are referring to.... but tell me something.... how are the 99% of other metal bands' cheesily "evil" and "dark" lyrics any better.... not that I care, but you are quick to mention lyrics)...
Like I said, the fact that you consider their music based on simple rock structures and obvious hook lines just proves you know absolutely nothing about this band, you are just one of the "tr00" posers that joins in on the so-called "mallcore" bashing. Go ahead try to find simplistic rock structure or an obvious hook in a song like Cradle or (K)now (F)orever. Sorry bub, you are the ignorant one here.
I will (at some point) download them and see.SunlapseVertigo said:
Yada yada, all traits of any good rock band.SunlapseVertigo said:
In most metal the vocal style is more important than the lyrics. Good bands will always use darkness, gore and evil as ways of spreading a message, whatever that may be. But no matter how well written I am never, ever going to want to read some "intellectual" posturing which boils down to simple whinging and unfocused angst. In any case Mudvaynes singer is horrible whether he is crooning or shouting.SunlapseVertigo said:
To be honest you are the only one who appears to be posturing in an attempt to save face since you know that Mudvayne are not a metal band. Either that or you forgot that is what we were discussing. When I have downloaded those songs I will see whether I am right.SunlapseVertigo said:
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