Satyricon
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Deicide and Incantation have the same ideology as many black metal bands. Are they black metal?
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Houses Ov Mercury
LOL that argument again. Please die, ANYONE who supports the notion that it is ideology, not music, that defines subgenres of metal.
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Houses Ov Mercury
It was a rhetorical question, but okay. But you are right. Now back to discussion of the band...
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Thasis
Canadian Black Metaller
...Deicide follows Death Metal ideology. Black Metal wishes to replace a downfall of christianity and judeo-christianity with something new. Usualy some form of paganistic or return-to-the-old views. Death metal is destruction for the pure sense of destruction with no views past that. So no, Immolation would not be considered Black Metal for that reason. Deicide... it's pretty obvious they do what they do for shock value and nothing more, which makes them lost to the black metal ideology. So no, my concept stands strong.
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Tyrants and Slaves
Thasis
Canadian Black Metaller
... how do I loose? All you've done is laugh at me, nothing you've said has actualy rebuted my claim. Until I get something that will proove me wrong I'm not going to let my arguement die.
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Houses Ov Mercury
Your claim is bullshit, by the way...it refutes itself, practically. Venom were considered BM back then were they not? Since when does Venom want to revert to a pagan olde tyme deal? They wanna fucking rock and sing about Satan. Goddamnit.
Thasis
Canadian Black Metaller
Mmm... Venom aren't black metal. They simply play fast music about Satan and originated the term. Anyways, I'm not saying all Black Metal bands want to replace it with something direct like a diffrent "old faith", but any true black metal looks into the future, and not just in the effect. They look for a time when they can walk the streets without having to deal with the shit of christianity, judeusm, or any other shit religion. Death metal just wants to cause destruction and removal in any form what so ever.
Thasis
Canadian Black Metaller
Realy I'm just going to end my argument here. Why? Not because I overly think I'm wrong, but because I realize what it comes down to is personal interpetation of what black metal is. I interpet it as one thing and you another. I don't realy have much of a right to tell you that you have to change your opinion based on what mine is, and likewise you don't have the right to do that to me. So I'll leave it there. My opinion is in the open, as is my opinion on Satyricon genre dispute. I'll leave it at that unless somebody realy wants to argue me through either PM's or the Philosophers section.
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Houses Ov Mercury
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Thasis
Canadian Black Metaller
DMT was the best out of all of the albums they played, especialy considering the technicality and age, as brought up before. But their newest album, though having a more of a rock feel to it, is still a solid and well made album.
I have these and like them.
Nemesis Divina
Volcano
Now, Diabolical
I need to look into the old shit.
Nemesis Divina
Volcano
Now, Diabolical
I need to look into the old shit.
I need to buy some DMT eventually. I've liked everything I've heard from Satyricon barring Fuel for Hatred, that song's ok.
Thasis
Canadian Black Metaller
The older stuff has a more raw of a feel (though not raw in comparison to other bands that are more definabily "raw", just a lot rawer feel then their current releases), so if you don't like non-melo black metal already they may not be for you.
