Stupidity in metal

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Everyday more and more people here will post in some thread or another that they hate nu-metal. That they would like to Butcher Slipknot, that they despise nu-metal fans etc. etc. etc.

And while these people go on and on, telling anyone who will listen how thye hate these bands - I sit back and sigh.

If you want any examples read the Iowa review, or the Bands you just HATE thread, or countless others that are littered around the forums here. No doubt you will find people telling you how Korn, Linkin Park, SLipknot (insert generic nu-metal band name here) are not metal. I wonder why this is when SLipknot clearly are metal. They have simplistic riffs, embarassing vocals and poor all-round musicianship. Yet they are still metal. If you listen to there music and compare it to any other metal band you will find that they are. Now what do you suppose makes people hate them so much and claim they arent etal? After all how many grindcore bands have shitty lyrics and weak riffs? Does every metal band have better drumming than Slipknot's? I think you'll they are not the worst.

Now what does Slipknot do that makes them not metal in the mids of so many? The answer is simple. Commercial success. How many shitty metal bands worse than Slipknot recieve as much hatred as Slipknot? Answer - None.

Yasee, metal fans can be very elitist. They don't like mu-metal because it sells well. They see that better bands sell so much less. They see that Slipknot get undeserved recognition and are angry. They are angry that people who don't like metal like Slipknot. They want metal to remain the elitist little world that it used to be. They don't want all the world to like it because it is their special thing that makes them better and different. To them, Slipknot are the invaders who destroy their sense of elitism superiority. Slipknot bring new people to the genre and they don't want it because they think the newbies are not good enough for metal. Slipknot are claimed to not be metal because the people that say this don't regard them as metal. They think metal is their own special private thing that makes them better and they don't like intruders. However bad the music is its the commercial success that annoys these people more. Im not saying that I like any of the nu-metal bands I've heard but I don't dismiss them because of their success. But because an album gets to no.1 does that make it bad? No, it just makes it popular.

However nu-metal is metal, it is a form of metal just like death-metal or black-metal or goth-metal or whatever. Not a particularily good genre but a genre of metal nonetheless.

Let's stop the stupidity, realise that people have different tastes and commercial success doesn't makes music bad. And to all those saying Slipknot aren't metal then you must think Pantera aren't metal either since they got to no.1.
 
You know what you just said. You said that the only reason people don't like nu-metal is because of the success.

God forbid I despise Slipknot (and nu-metal bands) for the shitty music they produce.
 
I agree w/you NIN. Not a fan of the bashing, and the ridiculous statement of Slipknot not being metal. Cmon. This same thing was happening in the 80's, when a thrasher would say Poison isnt metal. Well, unfortunately, it basically is....loud, distorted guitars, attitude driven lyrics, guitar solos, and upbeat rhythms. They say it aint metal cuz it's not the metal they like.

So, if you were to like the original Hank Williams, and hate Garth Brooks, does that mean that Garth Brooks isnt Country? Dont think so. See, that's ridiculous. Its the same thing going on here.

I am so sick of all these elitists (PERFECT term, NIN) out-undergrounding each other. Grow up and get a life.

I hate most commercial metal due to it's overexposure. I'm usually not at all bashful about expressing my feelings about them. But I dont say theyre not metal cuz I dont like them. It's foolish and pointless, not to mention infantile.
 
Originally posted by Dreamlord
You know what you just said. You said that the only reason people don't like nu-metal is because of the success.

God forbid I despise Slipknot (and nu-metal bands) for the shitty music they produce.

I didn't mean that was the only reason since I myself dislike nu-metal for the music. I meant it was the reason people said they weren't metal,
 
Originally posted by Vienyard
I agree w/you NIN. Not a fan of the bashing, and the ridiculous statement of Slipknot not being metal. Cmon. This same thing was happening in the 80's, when a thrasher would say Poison isnt metal. Well, unfortunately, it basically is....loud, distorted guitars, attitude driven lyrics, guitar solos, and upbeat rhythms. They say it aint metal cuz it's not the metal they like.

Well I wasn't around then but I can see what you mean, it happened before andwhen the next time metal becomes a fad it'll happen again

So, if you were to like the original Hank Williams, and hate Garth Brooks, does that mean that Garth Brooks isnt Country? Dont think so. See, that's ridiculous. Its the same thing going on here.

I am so sick of all these elitists (PERFECT term, NIN) out-undergrounding each other. Grow up and get a life.

I hate most commercial metal due to it's overexposure. I'm usually not at all bashful about expressing my feelings about them. But I dont say theyre not metal cuz I dont like them. It's foolish and pointless, not to mention infantile.

Thanks, you're absolutely correct about the country thing.
 
I find all the "lets flame Nu-metal" thing a little much as well. These catagories go a little far as well, I do see them as rather usefull but also humourous at the same time. ;)

I think of it this way; Some future fans may come because of Nu-metal being a stepping stone to other metal genres. If "real" metal is to stay alive, it will need new fans to hold the torch. Besides the few times I actually listen to the radio I'd rather hear a Nu-metal band than these cheesey pop bands.
 
That's a good point, think of all the fans metal has gained from the Hair-Metal days and the grunge days when it became popular. However I think that nu-metal will bring less fans to the genre because of the miniscule exposure other forms of metal gets.
 
Whilst I agree with you, I doubt it's going to stop anytime soon.

(BuT I ThOugHt yOu LiKeD SlIpKnOt :( ;))
 
Originally posted by Nick Inch Nails
That's a good point, think of all the fans metal has gained from the Hair-Metal days and the grunge days when it became popular.


EXACTLY!! I, for one, used glam as a gateway to harder metal. Glam was easy on the ears-I'm only 24 now, but when glam was at it's peak, I was a very impressionable youth. I dug those videos and articles in Circus magazine. I was too young to embrace Venom or Bathory or whatever. Thru the years, it went Glam, Radio shit, Thrash, Death, Black, and so on, for my musical progression.

As absurd as this sounds, if it wasnt for Europe, Whitesnake, and the Crue, I wouldnt have found Deicide, Slayer, and Emperor, and that's a fact.
 
Originally posted by Nick Inch Nails
That's a good point, think of all the fans metal has gained from the Hair-Metal days and the grunge days when it became popular.

That works both ways. The hair-metal bands drove people away from "metal" and straight into the lap of Grunge.

And by the way, the concept of fans slamming other sub-genres happens in metal more than any other music style. It can be a downfall, but it's also because there are no other followers of music that are as dedicated and emotionally involved as metal fans.

I don't think the term "sell out", for example, is used as much in other music genres.
 
I don't think Grunge bands at all helped metal. Between grunge bands and the cheese pop & rap, helped in the fall of metal in the 90's. Most of all North America.

Metal fans are the most fanatical about their music. The only one that comes close is Rock fans. But they are only dedicated, where metalers are vicously, fanatically possesive. It goes even further, they are extremely defensive about sub-genres. All these analogies are only general, and are far from the rule of thumb.

Unless Thumb say's so!!! ;)
 
I just don't think there should be a DJ scratching a LP at the same time drums and guitars are doing something different than rap
I don't know if slipknot are metal or not but hey c'mon it's like 8 dudes doing shitty sounds that 3 people can do. that's what I dislike most about them
 
Poison wasn't metal, neither was Whitesnake, Motley Crue, Guns 'N Roses, or Def Leppard, etc etc, they were a little known genre called "Hard Rock", specifically "Glam Rock" in the case of Poison. Hard rock was not heavy metal, despite the media's numerous attempts to lump them together. There's nothing metallic about them. Saying they're metal because they were a gateway to metal for you is like saying marijuana is heroine because it is a gateway drug. I've never heard Slipknot, so I can' t comment on them specifically, but some of the other "nu-metal" bands are actually pretty heavy. The only stuff I despise is the "rap-metal" or "hip-hop metal" or whatever you call it. But that's 'cause I can't stand rap.
 
OK SLipknot Sucks we all know this i personally donnot payattention to them wiethier they are metal or not you be the jugde. as far as Limp Bizquit, Korn, Stained, Load and Reload albums from $Metallica$. Grundge bands or any other Nu-metal tendy shit is NOT I REPEAT NOT METAL. I don't care what kinda arguement you have. Hard Rock yes Metal NO!!!!! I'm tire of pop record labels cd shops etc trying to sell me these bands when I ask for Metal. And as Far as Limp Bizquit goes I am in Jacksionville I hated that band before they got big aND i HATE THE NOW THEY SUCK AND ARE NOT METAL!!!! as Far as Stained I like Stained but THEY ARE NOT METAL!!!!! Load and Reload from $elloutica NOT METAL!!!!!!! Just because a band once put out metal and puts out non metal shit DOSE NOT MAKE IT METAL!!!!


The Main thing most of us METALHEADS are tried of is shit being passsed on to us as metal that isn't. I'm tried of not having a Metal place to hang out here last time one was said to be metal it was not was a bunch of punks. ( I don't hate punk music but the punks that hangout around here always start shit with people) I'm Tired of going to the record store asking for Metal and getting yeah we have Stained, Korn, Limp BULL SHIT... Destrubed PAPPA ROACH To call these Bands not Metal is not elitist it's COMMON FUCKING SENSE THERE NOT METAL THERE HARD ROCK if you can call it hard.
 
Here we go again. If it's a band you dont like, it's not metal...its something else, whether its hard rock, or whatever the subgenre is. Gotta keep your metal pure, eh? It's unfathomable to have a band you dont like being called Heavy Metal? Its called reality. Look into it.

With all good, there is bad. Thats how it works. It seems like if something is not up to someone's standard, theyre demoted from their precious genre/sub-genre into something else so they dont get their precious egos bruised.

Hard Rock and Heavy Metal pretty much go hand in hand, so making a stink between the differences is just stupid. Who cares? Is your life going to be ruined if someone calls a glam band Metal? Didnt think so. So why are you so offended by it? You dont like it....thats called life. Plenty of shit in life we dont like.