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lmfao that scene was so brutal too.

Feel like i heard about that Battery movie

It was awesome, definitely recommend. Shoestring budget and very creative/different.
 
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Watched some stuff yesterday:

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Starlet - Sean Baker is awesome, he's like a feelgood Korine at times. <3

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Butt Boy - One of the weirdest films I've seen in ages, utterly retarded too. It's like someone paid Fincher to write a true crime script, then had Lloyd Kaufman rewrite it, then had Fincher direct it. Obviously a b-movie but everything is acted so straight-faced, even though it derails into utter autistic glee about halfway through. Worth seeing at least once.

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After Midnight - Second feature film from the dude who made/starred in The Battery. I really like what he's doing so far, taking classic arguably played out horror tropes (zombies, post-apocalypse, natural horror creature-feature in this film's case) and filling them up with slice-of-life pacing and a focus on relationships between people. The Battery dealt with a relationship between two guys and this one with a middle-aged unmarried couple living in the sticks. Can't wait to see what he does next.

About to watch:

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For anybody who has seen Ex Machina:

Why did Caleb cut his arm open? Did he suspect he himself might be AI? Was it just me or did he not really react to the pain of doing what he did? Also why did Ava ignore and abandon Caleb in the end?
 
For anybody who has seen Ex Machina:

Why did Caleb cut his arm open? Did he suspect he himself might be AI? Was it just me or did he not really react to the pain of doing what he did? Also why did Ava ignore and abandon Caleb in the end?

My thoughts: 1. Yes he thought he might be AI given one of the signs of true AI would be self awareness without noticing the artificiality of one's own thoughts. 2. Ava abandoned him because she was only using him all along, manipulating him due to her will to escape/survive. This was also discussed by Nathan as one of the tests for true AI , ie the ability to empathize which in turn leads to be ability to manipulate.
 
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My thoughts: 1. Yes he thought he might be AI given one of the signs of true AI would be self awareness without noticing the artificiality of one's own thoughts. 2. Ava abandoned him because she was only using him all along, manipulating him due to her will to escape/survive. This was also discussed by Nathan as one of the tests for true AI , ie the ability to empathize which in turn leads to be ability to manipulate.
Yeah, perhaps he'd seen too much Black Mirror. And the fact she'd been manipulating him all along is probably the most significant element to the impact of the film.
 
My thoughts: 1. Yes he thought he might be AI given one of the signs of true AI would be self awareness without noticing the artificiality of one's own thoughts. 2. Ava abandoned him because she was only using him all along, manipulating him due to her will to escape/survive. This was also discussed by Nathan as one of the tests for true AI , ie the ability to empathize which in turn leads to be ability to manipulate.

Okay I figured that was the case RE Ava leaving him but I wasn't sure if maybe I missed something since I had to pause a bunch of times. I had a vibe she was manipulating him since the start of the sessions but just wanted to be sure.

The wrist cutting part still bugs me though because he didn't seem to flinch or feel pain. Dunno.

Yeah, perhaps he'd seen too much Black Mirror. And the fact she'd been manipulating him all along is probably the most significant element to the impact of the film.

That ending was actually pretty sociopathic, especially considering she had knowledge that Nathan was also manipulating him and she still decided to show zero empathy. Scary and awesome ending.
 
For anybody who has seen Ex Machina:

Why did Caleb cut his arm open? Did he suspect he himself might be AI? Was it just me or did he not really react to the pain of doing what he did? Also why did Ava ignore and abandon Caleb in the end?

I know others have already responded, but:

For me, it's more even than whether he's a robot; he's paranoid about what's inside him, which obviously intersects with his paranoia that he might be a robot. But it's the terror about not knowing what's inside us without cutting into ourselves.

Regarding Ava's actions at the end, I think this is fascinating. I taught this movie once, and my students loved it... until the ending. They wanted to sympathize with Ava, but said they couldn't when she abandoned Caleb to die. This betrays the implicit anthropocentrism with which we approach the film. We want Ava to accord with what we would expect a human to do--but why should she? She's a machine being held captive. I think my students' dislike of the ending also betrays our (and I'm using "our" very loosely and generally) failure to realize that Caleb is complicit in Ava's captivity, even if he falls for her, or whatever. He may want to help her escape, but Ava has no real reason to trust him. She's playing the long game; he's falling victim to his very human emotions.

When I taught the film, all except one student in the class was a man. When the men voiced their dislike and discomfort with the ending, the sole woman in the class expressed her confusion. She felt Ava was justified, and that her actions didn't constitute a betrayal or anything. This is to say, there's undoubtedly a gender analogy to the narrative, and it's nearly impossible that Garland is unconscious of this. Alan Turing actually lifted his version of the Turing Test from an older version in which two unknown players (one man, one woman) both try to convince a male observer that they're men. So from the get-go, the Turing Test is already a gendered construct. Ex Machina definitely plays off that.
 
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I know others have already responded, but:

For me, it's more even than whether he's a robot; he's paranoid about what's inside him, which obviously intersects with his paranoia that he might be a robot. But it's the terror about not knowing what's inside us without cutting into ourselves.

Regarding Ava's actions at the end, I think this is fascinating. I taught this movie once, and my students loved it... until the ending. They wanted to sympathize with Ava, but said they couldn't when she abandoned Caleb to die. This betrays the implicit anthropocentrism with which we approach the film. We want Ava to accord with what we would expect a human to do--but why should she? She's a machine being held captive. I think my students' dislike of the ending also betrays our (and I'm using "our" very loosely and generally) failure to realize that Caleb is complicit in Ava's captivity, even if he falls for her, or whatever. He may want to help her escape, but Ava has no real reason to trust him. She's playing the long game; he's falling victim to his very human emotions.

When I taught the film, all except one student in the class was a man. When the men voiced their dislike and discomfort with the ending, the sole woman in the class expressed her confusion. She felt Ava was justified, and that her actions didn't constitute a betrayal or anything. This is to say, there's undoubtedly a gender analogy to the narrative, and it's nearly impossible that Garland is unconscious of this. Alan Turing actually lifted his version of the Turing Test from an older version in which two unknown players (one man, one woman) both try to convince a male observer that they're men. So from the get-go, the Turing Test is already a gendered construct. Ex Machina definitely plays off that.

That's really interesting. I think my confusion over the ending was in part because I expected a more conventional "happy ending" but the more I think on it and read the replies in here, the more I like the ending. I mean, thinking on it it's not even that Caleb was complicit in Ava's captivity but rather his desire to help her escape is really just an attempt to possess her for himself. It's kind of analogous to a young man's desire to take a daughter from her father and keep her for himself (Badlands?). I don't think his attempts to help Ava were all that altruistic.
 
spoilers for a very mainstream film like Ex Machina! upsetting. been 6 damn years and on netflix!!!

. She's playing the long game; he's falling victim to his very human emotions.

she's playing human, just like he was :)

because I expected a more conventional "happy ending"
it is a happy ending :)
It's kind of analogous to a young man's desire to take a daughter from her father and keep her for himself (Badlands?). I don't think his attempts to help Ava were all that altruistic.
of course not, he's a loser who loved her.