Might be the kid in me, but im enjoying it so far(had to stop at around the haflway mark). Lots of fun.Took my son to see this when it came out. He loved it.
another one i have in my collection but have yet to watch.
For anybody who has seen Ex Machina:
Why did Caleb cut his arm open? Did he suspect he himself might be AI? Was it just me or did he not really react to the pain of doing what he did? Also why did Ava ignore and abandon Caleb in the end?
My thoughts: 1. Yes he thought he might be AI given one of the signs of true AI would be self awareness without noticing the artificiality of one's own thoughts. 2. Ava abandoned him because she was only using him all along, manipulating him due to her will to escape/survive. This was also discussed by Nathan as one of the tests for true AI , ie the ability to empathize which in turn leads to be ability to manipulate.
My thoughts: 1. Yes he thought he might be AI given one of the signs of true AI would be self awareness without noticing the artificiality of one's own thoughts. 2. Ava abandoned him because she was only using him all along, manipulating him due to her will to escape/survive. This was also discussed by Nathan as one of the tests for true AI , ie the ability to empathize which in turn leads to be ability to manipulate.
Yeah, perhaps he'd seen too much Black Mirror. And the fact she'd been manipulating him all along is probably the most significant element to the impact of the film.
For anybody who has seen Ex Machina:
Why did Caleb cut his arm open? Did he suspect he himself might be AI? Was it just me or did he not really react to the pain of doing what he did? Also why did Ava ignore and abandon Caleb in the end?
I know others have already responded, but:
For me, it's more even than whether he's a robot; he's paranoid about what's inside him, which obviously intersects with his paranoia that he might be a robot. But it's the terror about not knowing what's inside us without cutting into ourselves.
Regarding Ava's actions at the end, I think this is fascinating. I taught this movie once, and my students loved it... until the ending. They wanted to sympathize with Ava, but said they couldn't when she abandoned Caleb to die. This betrays the implicit anthropocentrism with which we approach the film. We want Ava to accord with what we would expect a human to do--but why should she? She's a machine being held captive. I think my students' dislike of the ending also betrays our (and I'm using "our" very loosely and generally) failure to realize that Caleb is complicit in Ava's captivity, even if he falls for her, or whatever. He may want to help her escape, but Ava has no real reason to trust him. She's playing the long game; he's falling victim to his very human emotions.
When I taught the film, all except one student in the class was a man. When the men voiced their dislike and discomfort with the ending, the sole woman in the class expressed her confusion. She felt Ava was justified, and that her actions didn't constitute a betrayal or anything. This is to say, there's undoubtedly a gender analogy to the narrative, and it's nearly impossible that Garland is unconscious of this. Alan Turing actually lifted his version of the Turing Test from an older version in which two unknown players (one man, one woman) both try to convince a male observer that they're men. So from the get-go, the Turing Test is already a gendered construct. Ex Machina definitely plays off that.
. She's playing the long game; he's falling victim to his very human emotions.
it is a happy endingbecause I expected a more conventional "happy ending"
of course not, he's a loser who loved her.It's kind of analogous to a young man's desire to take a daughter from her father and keep her for himself (Badlands?). I don't think his attempts to help Ava were all that altruistic.
she's playing human, just like he was
Actually, I agree with this--but would say that she knows she's playing human, whereas he doesn't, or convinces himself he isn't (as we all do).
Oh he knew, just blinded because he's not the oppressed.