The Whining and Bitching Thread

[Dak]

The only way it is "best" is in terms of not needing constant bug fixing. While that is important, the fucking totally derivative and uninspiring worlds and gameplay makes Blizzard generally crap. I will leave Starcraft out of that statement since I haven't played that series, but I've tried the other stuff and it's just LCD pandering bs.

 

[rms]

This is insane. What is your experience with Blizzard games?

 

[Dak]

Um, a couple months of WoW, playing the Warcraft trilogy, reading about/watching others play Diablo.

 

[rms]

What didn't you like about WC? It's a fun RTS, not groundbreaking like SC but I mean it's good.

When did you play WoW? It was pretty amazing back in the 04-08 years, wasted a lot of my life on it.

Not liking D1 or D2 is weird, especially with how it is basically the foundation for most RPG's

 

[-CC-]

Dak, stop being a hipster.

 

[Dak]

I played it in 07. I played right around when Burning Crusade came out. Absolute shit. I played through to level 70, believing the promises of the people I knew that played, waiting that "the real game" lay just around the corner. It didn't. It was just LCD shit the whole way through. LCD = lowest common denominator.

The same for Diablo and WC. it's just bullshit for the LCD. click that kill this.big whoop.

Edit: Hipster? I don't follow.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Blizzard arguably made the best RTS, RPG and MMO of recent times. And DOTA spawned into something else entirely. Not sure there is any gaming company out there that can compare their credentials to Blizzard at all.

They didn't make DOTA, their customers did, and after over a decade of sitting on the free labor of their userbase, people started to realize that they could do better outside of the increasingly greedy hands of Blizzard. And Diablo 2 the best RPG, lol. I was a fan starting in 1st grade with Warcraft 2, but really, fuck anything they've done starting with and beyond World of Warcraft.

 

[rms]

They didn't make DOTA, their customers did, and after over a decade of sitting on the free labor of their userbase, people started to realize that they could do better outside of the increasingly greedy hands of Blizzard. And Diablo 2 the best RPG, lol. I was a fan starting in 1st grade with Warcraft 2, but really, fuck anything they've done starting with and beyond World of Warcraft.

Still created the platform for DOTA, nothing else was capable at the time. UMS maps on SC are still awesome because of it.

D2 was huge when it came out. The whole gear farming aspect of RPG's wasn't really shit until then.

I played it in 07. I played right around when Burning Crusade came out. Absolute shit. I played through to level 70, believing the promises of the people I knew that played, waiting that "the real game" lay just around the corner. It didn't. It was just LCD shit the whole way through. LCD = lowest common denominator.

The same for Diablo and WC. it's just bullshit for the LCD. click that kill this.big whoop.

Well the arena aspect was pretty awesome, but with only 4 months you couldn't have done much. LCD, well yeah the game wasn't tailored like that at all pre70, but you gave up on it too early. Arena was still pretty skill favored and when they introduced resilience that really signified the change between PVE and PVP gear and all that.

When you say move here, take this quest to find/kill something, then every game is incredibly simplistic.

What do you actually play? Hard to understand your taste for games here, especially if you're getting excited for a shooter when the last good one came out in ~2003

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Basically, Blizzard's ultimate claim to fame was widespread online presence and extremely streamlined grinding-based gameplay suitable for said online play. I don't think anyone could deny their success or influence, but they're still shit games.

EDIT: Last good shooter came out in ~2003? Holy shit you are an online gamer pleb.

 

[rms]

WoW became a milk horse many years after it started, can't blame them for making money off it. SC was what gave Blizzard its name

A pleb? Plebian? I am an online gamer professional son you wish you were like me.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

No, there are many ways I'd prefer to make ~minimum wage over grinding some shitty online game and ruining one of my few hobbies.

 

[Matt]

Halo 3 was the last greatest shooter, actually. Really wish I could afford an xbox 1 to get the new Halo pack.

Online gaming for money is great if you can do it correctly, i.e having a group of people you play with regularly that make it fun.

 

[rms]

I mean you're a sucker. Consoles ruined the FPS genre and that's why we have this Call of Duty shit now. Even Valve caved in and made CS:Source and now GO, both garbage. CS 1.6 came out in 2003 and that's what I was getting at, and that was seen as a drop-off in the CS name. 1.5 is probably the last good FPS. But you loser(s) probably never even played that game back then, especially competitively.

Those dudes made legitimate money off that game and it didn't cost anything other than LAN travelling back then. I was sort of good at that, but man the top tier dudes were just amazing.

WoW was seriously fun and addicting back then. Maybe that's just me though. Completing quests, farming for the best gears and shit so you could talk smack in PvE was aight. Earning your way meant something in WoW back then, but it lost its competitive edge fo sho. PvP was where it was at though, Arena was pretty awesome back then. I was kinda good at that too but oh well here I am today. Just wishing I was still pro and still cared.

 

[Matt]

Oh the whole 'console gaming ruined everything' bitchfest. Waah. Get the fuck over it. I played CS, and Halo 2/3 was just as competitive and required almost the same amount of skill to be on the elite level.

Also, I seriously doubt you were ever pro or any good at all.

 

[rms]

Thinking that a controller is somehow comparable to mouse and keyboard makes you a sucker again, it's just like WoW. The LCD of gaming, consoles are easier to sell to the casual gamer and that's what happened. Weren't Halo leagues mostly 2v2? I mean come on brah, CS was the pinnacle of competitive shooters.

Man you are making me sad. I spent many years of my life trying to be good at those games and I was aight, I played CAL and made IM before WoW took over mine and my friends lives. and I played in a shitload of LAN tournaments before that place closed..due to Halo!! Nah I dunno why it closed but they stopped CS tournaments stopped once Halo got popular. Gheys. Probably amazing to your lame standards but very average in the global CS community.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I played CS well before 1.5 bro, albeit not uber-competitively. Competitive gaming is a shit. Always preferred Day of Defeat anyways.

EDIT: But yeah, Halo is shit too.

 

[Matt]

Thinking that a controller is somehow comparable to mouse and keyboard makes you a sucker again, it's just like WoW. The LCD of gaming, consoles are easier to sell to the casual gamer and that's what happened. Weren't Halo leagues mostly 2v2? I mean come on brah, CS was the pinnacle of competitive shooters.

Man you are making me sad. I spent many years of my life trying to be good at those games and I was aight, I played CAL and made IM before WoW took over mine and my friends lives. and I played in a shitload of LAN tournaments before that place closed..due to Halo!! Nah I dunno why it closed but they stopped CS tournaments stopped once Halo got popular. Gheys. Probably amazing to your lame standards but very average in the global CS community.

Things change and you have to adapt to it, or just be the little bitch that complains instead. CS is back on the MLG circuit, by the way.

 

[The Butt]

Anyone saying that Diablo II didn't fucking rule, is a punk bitch tbh.

 

[-CC-]

They didn't make DOTA, their customers did, and after over a decade of sitting on the free labor of their userbase, people started to realize that they could do better outside of the increasingly greedy hands of Blizzard.

That's spinning it very negatively. DOTA was a game inside a game, of course it could be done better with a dedicated engine. WC3 just left the same tools that the entire game was built on for everyone to use. Just because people realized that the engine was a bit restrictive has nothing to do with greed. It's just technical limitations. Besides, there's a reason why WC3 is still being played. I go back to it once or twice a year to play some fun custom maps with friends, and you won't believe how big the community is still. New maps are still being churned out monthly. It's incredible lifespan is precisely because of the userbase, and Blizzard aren't charging a dime for it. In fact, they are probably just losing money on server maintenance.

To say that any Blizzard game before (but including) WoW was uninspired is odd to me. They were groundbreaking and way ahead of their time. To say Diablo 1+2 is simply click and kill is...correct. But you can dumb any game down to that level. RTS = click to build , then click to kill. Shooter = click to kill. RPG = click to talk, then click to kill. I mean what the fuck, until we get full-on VR we aren't going to see a change in that formula.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I don't mean limitations of the WC3 engine as much as the shenanigans associated with the Starcraft 2 editor/UMS (at least as I've heard it second hand from my brother).

The Blizzard games were ahead of the curve when it came to exploiting the weaknesses of millions of Koreans through grinding-dependent gimmicks. So was Runescape. bfd.