Why the New Wave of Heavy (Mainstream) Metal is bad for metal

[Hell Awaits Us All]

you just wait until/if Antti Boman(or whoever it is that they credit for being the mastermind behind Nespithe) pops a blood vessel in his brain for trying to write a successor to the overhyped " last word in Death Metal" record
and there will no end to the internet drama that will take place on the Anus boards. The day of his demise will become a memorial day and they'll erect a monument to the guy right in front of Anus' headquarters
I witnessed one of Boman's chance visits to the Nihilist forum. The seemingly endless shower of accolodes he was recieving from all his obsequious worshippers was a hilarious spectacle(OMG, you're the most talented person on this Earth, please sign my shirt and my penis while you're at it. I've exaggerated with the latter, but some posters seemed only a hair away from taking it to the next level of awkwardness).
No offense to the Demilich fans here.
As I said a couple of days ago I think that worshipping artists is moronic. You only know an artist through his art. The other sides of his personality are often hidden from view. A brilliant composer can be a maniacal serial killer or a child molestor during the nocturnal hours.Perhaps that's what fuels his inspiration. Why would someone idolize another person they don't know thoroughly well, is beyond me. This applies to you too, mate, with your senseless Chuck worship.

Soryy if that was off-topic. I just had tot take it off my chest

my chuck worship isn't "senseless" - I just wanted to pay my respects to him as he is my favorite guitarist and musician and death is my favorite band

there's dozens of other guitarists I love - he's just 1 of them

 

[Satanstoenail]

For Gods sake Chucktard will you SHUT THE FUCKING FUCK UP.


Re. the article, I've only had time to read about half of it so far, it seems well informed and intelligently written so far.

 

[Scarifier]

As I said a couple of days ago I think that worshipping artists is moronic. You only know an artist through his art.

Soryy if that was off-topic. I just had tot take it off my chest

I agree. I went to deicide the other night and Ralph was walking around in the crowd, and my mate was like lets go talk to him... but i didn't. I mean i have nothing to say, i don't actually know him and anything i do say is going to be the millionth time he's heard it anyway.

 

[Wires & Waves]

god this forum fucking sucks

way to miss the point completely every single one of you fucking retards

 

[IWP]

god this forum fucking sucks

way to miss the point completely every single one of you fucking retards

+1

 

[Necro Joe]

The article seems to rest on the assumption that eventually those three bands will change their styles to achieve greater mainstream success and therefore the amount of money the metal 'scene' has invested in them will end up going to waste. This seems rather weakly supported (since its not the main focus of the article) by references to a lyrical shift on LoG's most recent album and some comments about other styles of music made by the bands. He appears to be saying: 'since any creativity exhibited by a commercially successful band is not sustainable in a mainstream climate the big metal record labels would be serving metal's interests better by not marketing their most popular bands to a wide audience'.

Its not clear what he's suggesting as an alternative. Does he want to put a ceiling on how popular bands are allowed to become for fear of a backlash that would stop smaller bands achieving similar levels of popularity after the 'bubble' has burst? Most metal fans don't seem to care how much success their favourite bands achieve as long as they keep making music so why is a mainstream climate more hostile towards metal (which he implies will be the ultimate result of the NWOAHM) a great disaster?

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

would you really mind if bands like lamb of god and shadows fall compromised their music and became extremely popular??

I wouldn't, I don't really give a shit about either of those bands - and their popularity would be a great gateway for a lot of people to get into much better metal

 

[CF87]

The New Wave of British Heavy Metal!

murders in the rue morgue

 

[Supertwister]

? i replied to your first comments in this thread about them because you said they were a disgrace to metal. I don't have an account there or even visit there site, but they did/do help expose some bands that would otherwise be unknown of, so that's doing something for metal.

I agree they are pretentious wankers, and quite childish amongst their "intellectual" bullshit, saying shit like Chuck died of aids.
So why do you bother reading their shit and complaining about it?

Yeah, that recent edit to their Death page was definitely another tiresome attempt to piss people off. That along with the general trolling and intertard behaviour is what makes me lose respect for anus as opposed to their general views which I'm fairly accepting of (although not in agreement of). Best just to ignore 'em and avoid adding fuel to their fire.

 

[DarkBliss]

2. The Dark Legions Archives continue to provoke because they expose truths that most of you would rather not face.

Poor dumb defeated mainstream metallers

It's not the bands that you promote but the methods you adopt to promote them that push many people away. Sometimes I find it hard to believe that a man in his 40's is the site's bigwig. And all of his primary clones are the same.
Infantile mindless sheep. "We are elitists and we will trample and quash you with our superior intellect and our exceptional lexical acrobatics. We haven't yet discovered how to make good use of both so that our arguments don't reek of condescending tripe, but hey, maybe in a millenia or two we'll overcome our collective superiority complex...." Well. good luck with that, dumbass.

Your heroes are fags- the last word in subtlety

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

It's not the bands that you promote but the methods you adopt to promote them that push many people away. Sometimes I find it hard to believe that a man in his 40's is the site's bigwig. And all of his primary clones are the same.
Infantile mindless sheep. "We are elitists and we will trample and quash you with our superior intellect and our exceptional lexical acrobatics. We haven't yet discovered how to make good use of both so that our arguments don't reek of condescending tripe, but hey, maybe in a millenia or two we'll overcome our collective superiority complex...." Well. good luck with that, dumbass.

Your heroes are fags- the last word in subtlety

edit: you mean their collective inferiority complex??

wow - beautifully stated

reps

 

[DarkBliss]

edit: you mean their collective inferiority complex??

wow - beautifully stated

reps

You're probably right here. A person's internet and real images are sometimes inverted. I remember Falco(Armageddon's Child) bragging about his outstanding mental and physical condition. The guy must have more issues than an entire asylum ward

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

You're probably right here. A person's internet and real images are sometimes inverted. I remember Falco(Armageddon's Child) bragging about his outstanding mental and physical condition. The guy must have more issues than an entire asylum ward

the whole fucking site is a joke

you should read through some of their reviews... calling "heartwork" by carcass "commercial rock", calling sodom's albums "radio friendly party music"

 

[Wires & Waves]

You're probably right here. A person's internet and real images are sometimes inverted. I remember Falco(Armageddon's Child) bragging about his outstanding mental and physical condition. The guy must have more issues than an entire asylum ward

i can certainly vouch for the fact that hes not in outstanding physical condition

 

[DarkBliss]

i can certainly vouch for the fact that hes not in outstanding physical condition

Seen of pic of him? Met him in person?

 

[Satanstoenail]

I've now read the whole article and gotta say I quite enjoyed it and found it somewhat enlightening. It's a shame that this thread has degenerated into stupid anus.com slagging instead of talking about the subject at hand, but with the disappearance of a lot of the more cluey posters on this board and the rampant Chucktard dumbing down of nearly every thread, I guess it was to be expected.

The article seems to rest on the assumption that eventually those three bands will change their styles to achieve greater mainstream success and therefore the amount of money the metal 'scene' has invested in them will end up going to waste. This seems rather weakly supported (since its not the main focus of the article) by references to a lyrical shift on LoG's most recent album and some comments about other styles of music made by the bands. He appears to be saying: 'since any creativity exhibited by a commercially successful band is not sustainable in a mainstream climate the big metal record labels would be serving metal's interests better by not marketing their most popular bands to a wide audience'.

I think the assumption that the band's sounds will be watered down is based on a lot more than "references to a lyrical shift on LoG's most recent album and some comments about other styles of music made by the bands". He assumes they will compromise their integrity because that is what happens when bands sign to majors generally; they bend in order to sell more or they get dropped.

Its not clear what he's suggesting as an alternative. Does he want to put a ceiling on how popular bands are allowed to become for fear of a backlash that would stop smaller bands achieving similar levels of popularity after the 'bubble' has burst? Most metal fans don't seem to care how much success their favourite bands achieve as long as they keep making music so why is a mainstream climate more hostile towards metal (which he implies will be the ultimate result of the NWOAHM) a great disaster?

I think he's suggesting that the marketing of bands in the mainstream could be better done in order to prevent over saturation and "the bubble bursting". In order for the scene to survive on all levels it needs to not be a fad that could die at any point when the masses get bored with it. With major labels hyping the fuck out of these bands ad nauseum this will happen for sure, and what he's saying is that that's bad news for all of us, not just the Lamb of God fans. He says it well here:

Real non-corporate retailers, bands and labels will be increasingly marginalized and shut out of a constricted system which is focused on channeling everything towards what is the most profitable and most popular and this will even have an effect on the most cantankerous of underground purists who think that the industry activities surrounding Shadows Fall, Lamb of God and Mastodon have no impact on them. This is because, in many ways, a golden opportunity to create a sustainable and self-sufficient metal underground is being squandered as a river of metallic money spills out into a mainstream sea to never be seen again.

 

[Necro Joe]

I think the assumption that the band's sounds will be watered down is based on a lot more than "references to a lyrical shift on LoG's most recent album and some comments about other styles of music made by the bands". He assumes they will compromise their integrity because that is what happens when bands sign to majors generally; they bend in order to sell more or they get dropped.

Well bands of other styles have existed in the mainstream while pushing boundaries and without compromising their creativity so why can't a metal band do the same? The reason for Mastodon's huge popularity is that they (like Faith No More before them) write diverse, imaginative songs that also happen to be accessible to more than just metal fans. They don't need to change to become popular and implying that they will seems a lot like suggesting that all metal bands are fundamentally incapable of existing in the mainstream not because they're incompatible with it, but just because they lack willpower and business savvy.

I think he's suggesting that the marketing of bands in the mainstream could be better done in order to prevent over saturation and "the bubble bursting". In order for the scene to survive on all levels it needs to not be a fad that could die at any point when the masses get bored with it. With major labels hyping the fuck out of these bands ad nauseum this will happen for sure, and what he's saying is that that's bad news for all of us, not just the Lamb of God fans. He says it well here:

But how do you market bands 'better' except by helping them sell more records? It still seems like he's suggesting less exposure be given to these bands rather than a different approach be taken altogether.

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

but the majority of mastodon's fans are still legitimate metal fans

their music is never going to appeal to 15 year old teenyboppers unless they dumb down things considerably (which I don't see happening)

I'm not saying this is a bad thing - I just don't think a very complex/technical band can ever truly "break" and be huge in the mainstream

Id imagine mastodon will continue writing high quality albums and selling a decent amount of albums but never becoming what metallica or pantera became

 

[Dazed and Brutal]

SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH

GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE.

edit: GODDAMN IT

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

SHUT YOUR FUCKING MOUTH

GET THE FUCK OUT OF HERE.

edit: GODDAMN IT

wow, highly intelligent post there

you have the maturity of a 5 year old