Black Metal.

[~Derek~]

I agree with Master of Lightning about the songs on black metal radio.

 

[Tonka Time]

i can usually tell the difference right away, black metal is more high pitched, guitars arent tuned down like with death metal. i cant see how it is hard at all unless you consider behemoth or belphegor or or some other blackend death metal band "black metal" and not "blackend death metal"

 

[Manic Ferocity]

What would be the best post-Panzerfaust era Darkthrone album to pick up? I'm leaning towards either Total Death or Ravishing Grimness.

 

[skeptik]

Bathory

No. Venom.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

Venom defined the concept and Bathory defined the sound. There ya go.

 

[Evil?]

not this again.

 

[skeptik]

Venom is the first Black Metal band. Period. This is a factually accurate statement. This is not an opinion. If you disagree, you are wrong.

 

[Alter]

Venom is the first Black Metal band. Period. This is a factually accurate statement. This is not an opinion. If you disagree, you are wrong.

That is right. Though Mercyful Fate was very important in the molding of the genre early on.

 

[skeptik]

Mercyful Fate is Black Metal as well, but Venom came first. Then Hellhammer and Bathory.

 

[Alter]

Mercyful Fate is Black Metal as well, but Venom came first. Then Hellhammer and Bathory.

Ok. Lets settle with this.


No one seems to talk about Black Funeral. Waters Of Weeping was pretty good.

 

[Zephyrus]

No wonder you don't think Blut Aus Nord is black metal.




Anyways, I picked up Keep of Kalessin's Through Times of War at the record store because it was cheap and used. What should I expect from this album?

 

[Alter]

Anyways, I picked up Keep of Kalessin's Through Times of War at the record store because it was cheap and used. What should I expect from this album?

Nothing good.

 

[Zephyrus]

Nothing good.

I liked Armada and I hear these guys are good at playing real fast. I'll see for myself.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

Venom is the first Black Metal band. Period. This is a factually accurate statement. This is not an opinion. If you disagree, you are wrong.

I will never understand your logic in this.

Venom and Mercyful Fate were HISTORICALLY black metal and helped influence the bands to come but I don't see how you can classify them as such based on musical output.

 

[skeptik]

They were Black Metal in 1983. Why would changes after the fact impact whether or not their music that they created then is Black Metal? I think the problem is with your logic, not mine. Black Metal is not so narrowly defined by sound and technique as are other genres. Is it Cronos' fault that Euronymous and Varg thought it would be cool to call their music Black Metal? Venom was first. The Norwegian scene came after. Fuck revisionist history.

And even if you do want to delve into the musical difference realm, you should be able to see that even then Venom and Mercyful Fate were musically unorthodox as well.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

In 1983 bands like Metallica were considered power metal so obviously there weren't definitive sub-genres back then. Venom didn't really make any musical revolutions with Welcome to Hell and Black Metal nor do I think they were trying to. I don't think they were entirely serious in inventing the term "black metal". Bands like Bathory and Mayhem just took the term and did something with it.

For the record, I love Venom.

 

[skeptik]

If you can't differentiate between Venom and their peers or Mercyful Fate and their peers and see how they differ, then you're not listening very closely.

Frankly, it really doesn't matter if you think Venom is Black Metal or not, because they are Black Metal regardless of whether or not you think that they are. I'm saying this as a historical matter of fact. Venom is Black Metal. There is no other alternative.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

If you can't differentiate between Venom and their peers or Mercyful Fate and their peers and see how they differ, then you're not listening very closely.

Frankly, it really doesn't matter if you think Venom is Black Metal or not, because they are Black Metal regardless of whether or not you think that they are. I'm saying this as a historical matter of fact. Venom is Black Metal. There is no other alternative.

They do differ from their peers, but not enough so that people would think an entire new revolution in music has been created.

 

[KevenZ]

Anyways, I picked up Keep of Kalessin's Through Times of War at the record store because it was cheap and used. What should I expect from this album?

I like this album, maybe not so original but if you like Mayhem DMDS, it's quite similar, underrated stuff in my opinion.... but I still think KoK's best material is on the Reclaim EP.

 

[fates warning 666]

I really don't see how you can call the vocals brilliant. They weren't unique in anyway and there was no passion behind them. Even if you liked the sound, he wasn't doing much with them.

None of the other guys were wanking off their instruments either, they did what was required for the best possible sound and so did the vocalist. Regardless, there's plenty of passion in those vocals, or at least they absolutely accentuate the passion of the music. I find it difficult to distinguish between the two. I also find his voice very distinctive and could recognise a new DSO song within seconds based on the vocals alone.