Do you believe in God?
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cthulufhtagn
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i don't discount the possibility of a higher power, but if one exists it is beyond our comprehension, thus i believe the concept of god such as it exists to be man-made rubbish
MajestikMøøse
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I don't believe in an anthropomorphic "God" per se. To admit "God" as the highest being would be to place a limitation on the conception of pure unmanifest infinite.
Erik
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J.
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IOfTheStorm
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I wonder, to those who completely discard God, how do you explain the structured pattern of a snow flake, the complexity and the intelligence of the human organism and so on?
Will Bozarth
Everlasting Godstopper
who cares? it's there, and why do we have to care what made it the way it was. what about a god's structure and way of doing things? what made that dude the way he is, etc, etc... then what made the maker of the HIM the way he is? could go on forever. my answer is "no, i dont believe" because i'd rather waste my time whacking off than thinking of a logical answer to the creation of the world. we're all gonna die in a number of years, and we'll never know the answer.
Erik
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why the fuck should we?* why does anyone need to know these things for certain? it pisses me off how people can't accept that things are as they are and live their fucking lives because believe me you will lie under 6 feet of moist earth in 80 years and knowing why snowflakes all are unique isn't going to help much at that point.Rensei said:
it is absolutely fucking horribly arrogant to think that our tiny, useless brains are the be all end all of intelligence, that we can and should know everything, and that if a "GOD", universal consciousness or other divine power existed we even could BEGIN to comprehend its essence. just fucking LEAVE IT ALONE. these things are not for the human brain to meddle with.
* the shape of a snowflake can be adequately explained by science like so many other things
http://www.its.caltech.edu/~atomic/snowcrystals/dendrites/dendrite.htm
Erik
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i mean really, you can't understand why ice crystals look the way they do, but you think you're in any position to discuss GOD? does anyone else see the fucking irony at work here
Malergion
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Some interesting answers to the question:
"Have you accepted Jesus into your heart?"
1. Of course not!
2. I'm not sure.
3. Probably not.
4. I doubt it.
5. I don't think humans can get those.
6. If I accept Jesus, then I have to accept Phil and Larry...it's a bit crowded as it is.
7. I'll accept Jesus if you'll worship me.
8. Could be. Just last week I ate a fried tortilla with an image of a bearded man on it.
9. An angel appeared last night and asked me that very same question. "Nope," I answered. "No big.", came the reply.
10. If by "Jesus" you mean "nine women" and by "heart" you mean "cellar", then yes.
"Have you accepted Jesus into your heart?"
1. Of course not!
2. I'm not sure.
3. Probably not.
4. I doubt it.
5. I don't think humans can get those.
6. If I accept Jesus, then I have to accept Phil and Larry...it's a bit crowded as it is.
7. I'll accept Jesus if you'll worship me.
8. Could be. Just last week I ate a fried tortilla with an image of a bearded man on it.
9. An angel appeared last night and asked me that very same question. "Nope," I answered. "No big.", came the reply.
10. If by "Jesus" you mean "nine women" and by "heart" you mean "cellar", then yes.
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How Do Snowflakes Form?
Snowflakes are a particular form of water ice. Snowflakes form in clouds, which consist of water vapor. When the temperature is 32° F (0° C) or colder, water changes from its liquid form into ice. Several factors affect snowflake formation. Temperature, air currents, and humidity all influence shape and size. Dirt and dust particles can get mixed up in the water and affect crystal weight and durability. The dirt particles make the snowflake heavier, and can cause cracks and breaks in the crystal and make it easier to melt. Snowflake formation is a dynamic process. A snowflake may encounter many different environmental conditions, sometimes melting it, sometimes causing growth, always changing its structure.
What are common snowflake shapes?
Generally, six-sided hexagonal crystals are shaped in high clouds; needles or flat six-sided crystals are shaped in middle height clouds; and a wide variety of six-sided shapes are formed in low clouds. Colder temperatures produce snowflakes with sharper tips on the sides of the crystals and may lead to branching of the snowflake arms (dendrites). Snowflakes that grow under warmer conditions grow more slowly, resulting in smoother, less intricate shapes.
* 32-25° F - Thin hexagonal plates
* 25-21° F - Needles
* 21-14° F - Hollow columns
* 14-10° F - Sector plates (hexagons with indentations)
* 10-3° F - Dendrites (lacy hexagonal shapes)
Why are snowflakes symmetrical (same on all sides)?
First, not all snowflakes are the same on all sides. Uneven temperatures, presence of dirt, and other factors may cause a snowflake to be lop-sided. Yet it is true that many snowflakes are symmetrical and intricate. This is because a snowflake's shape reflects the internal order of the water molecules. Water molecules in the solid state, such as in ice and snow, form weak bonds (called hydrogen bonds) with one another. These ordered arrangements result in the symmetrical, hexagonal shape of the snowflake. During crystallization, the water molecules align themselves to maximize attractive forces and minimize repulsive forces. Consequently, water molecules arrange themselves in predetermined spaces and in a specific arrangement. Water molecules simply arrange themselves to fit the spaces and maintain symmetry.
Is it true that no two snowflakes are identical?
Yes and no. No two snowflakes are exactly identical, down to the precise number of water molecules, spin of electrons, isotope abundance of hydrogen and oxygen, etc. On the other hand, it is possible for two snowflakes to look exactly alike and any given snowflake probably has had a good match at some point in history. Since so many factors affect the structure of a snowflake and since a snowflake's structure is constantly changing in response to environmental conditions, it is improbable that anyone would see two identical snowflakes.
If water and ice are clear, then why does snow look white?
The short answer is that snowflakes have so many light-reflecting surfaces they scatter the light into all of its colors, so snow appears white. The longer answer has to do with the way the human eye perceives color. Even though the light source might not be truly 'white' light (e.g., sunlight, fluorescent, and incandescent all have a particular color), the human brain compensates for a light source. Thus, even though sunlight is yellow and scattered light from snow is yellow, the brain sees snow as white because the whole picture received by the brain has a yellow tint that is automatically subtracted.
Snowflakes are a particular form of water ice. Snowflakes form in clouds, which consist of water vapor. When the temperature is 32° F (0° C) or colder, water changes from its liquid form into ice. Several factors affect snowflake formation. Temperature, air currents, and humidity all influence shape and size. Dirt and dust particles can get mixed up in the water and affect crystal weight and durability. The dirt particles make the snowflake heavier, and can cause cracks and breaks in the crystal and make it easier to melt. Snowflake formation is a dynamic process. A snowflake may encounter many different environmental conditions, sometimes melting it, sometimes causing growth, always changing its structure.
What are common snowflake shapes?
Generally, six-sided hexagonal crystals are shaped in high clouds; needles or flat six-sided crystals are shaped in middle height clouds; and a wide variety of six-sided shapes are formed in low clouds. Colder temperatures produce snowflakes with sharper tips on the sides of the crystals and may lead to branching of the snowflake arms (dendrites). Snowflakes that grow under warmer conditions grow more slowly, resulting in smoother, less intricate shapes.
* 32-25° F - Thin hexagonal plates
* 25-21° F - Needles
* 21-14° F - Hollow columns
* 14-10° F - Sector plates (hexagons with indentations)
* 10-3° F - Dendrites (lacy hexagonal shapes)
Why are snowflakes symmetrical (same on all sides)?
First, not all snowflakes are the same on all sides. Uneven temperatures, presence of dirt, and other factors may cause a snowflake to be lop-sided. Yet it is true that many snowflakes are symmetrical and intricate. This is because a snowflake's shape reflects the internal order of the water molecules. Water molecules in the solid state, such as in ice and snow, form weak bonds (called hydrogen bonds) with one another. These ordered arrangements result in the symmetrical, hexagonal shape of the snowflake. During crystallization, the water molecules align themselves to maximize attractive forces and minimize repulsive forces. Consequently, water molecules arrange themselves in predetermined spaces and in a specific arrangement. Water molecules simply arrange themselves to fit the spaces and maintain symmetry.
Is it true that no two snowflakes are identical?
Yes and no. No two snowflakes are exactly identical, down to the precise number of water molecules, spin of electrons, isotope abundance of hydrogen and oxygen, etc. On the other hand, it is possible for two snowflakes to look exactly alike and any given snowflake probably has had a good match at some point in history. Since so many factors affect the structure of a snowflake and since a snowflake's structure is constantly changing in response to environmental conditions, it is improbable that anyone would see two identical snowflakes.
If water and ice are clear, then why does snow look white?
The short answer is that snowflakes have so many light-reflecting surfaces they scatter the light into all of its colors, so snow appears white. The longer answer has to do with the way the human eye perceives color. Even though the light source might not be truly 'white' light (e.g., sunlight, fluorescent, and incandescent all have a particular color), the human brain compensates for a light source. Thus, even though sunlight is yellow and scattered light from snow is yellow, the brain sees snow as white because the whole picture received by the brain has a yellow tint that is automatically subtracted.
Thanatopsis123
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i believe in something beyond the realm of human perception. i don't know what it is, and you don't either.
edit: yeah, like cthulu beat me to it, or something.
edit: yeah, like cthulu beat me to it, or something.
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Can you prove what others don't know? Never say someone else doesn't "know" something unless you know they don't.
MajestikMøøse
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when someone tells me that god exists, they can't prove it. when someone tells me god does not exist, they can't prove that either. there is no proof or lack thereof in such things. the only religion that makes any factual sense is agnosticism, because it's the only one to fully admit that there is no fact when it comes to such things.
MajestikMøøse
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I used to be like NoLordy and shun even agnostics but then I smartened up, because there is no decisive proof of anything. Even all of science is merely a theory, and can come tumbling down at any moment if one of its foundations are shifted.
