Do you consider Slipknot to be Metal?
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Alteredmindeath
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Slipknot sells their image more like KISS does, to kids that think its neat to see guys in suits/masks on the verge of heat stroke. As far as them being metal, their music is as plastic as their masks, there is no feel to their tunes and nothing interesting about them at all. Its just a big product called Slipknot, I wouldn't even consider them a real band, just a record labels decision to make some easy quick money.
Jimmy... Dead.
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I don't care what ANYONE says. Slipknot's first/self titled album is excellent.
After that it's all shit.
When their self titled album was on the rise, their shows were seriously insane.
Don't get me wrong, today they ARE absolutely lame. 5-6 years ago was a different story is all I can tell you.
They saw the marketing opportunity, took the money and ran. Fuck it, they knew they could not top their previous work. So they made shit music for teenage kids. In my opinion, from a business marketing perspective, it was genius. The way they changed their mask/jumpsuits and sold nothing but merch. I bet they made just about the same amount of money with t-shirts and mask bullshit then their albums,heh, maybe more.
When you have limited talent you rob these poor kids for as much money as you can. The music industry is a joke.
After that it's all shit.
When their self titled album was on the rise, their shows were seriously insane.
Don't get me wrong, today they ARE absolutely lame. 5-6 years ago was a different story is all I can tell you.
They saw the marketing opportunity, took the money and ran. Fuck it, they knew they could not top their previous work. So they made shit music for teenage kids. In my opinion, from a business marketing perspective, it was genius. The way they changed their mask/jumpsuits and sold nothing but merch. I bet they made just about the same amount of money with t-shirts and mask bullshit then their albums,heh, maybe more.
When you have limited talent you rob these poor kids for as much money as you can. The music industry is a joke.
I thought that Mate Feed Kill Repeat was excellent in all of itself. Do Nothing/Bitchslap mixed death metal with pure jazz and RNB, which made for one hell of a song.
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IMO Slipknot are metal. Just because they throw in some electronic influence and occasional rap-ish vocals doesn't disqualify them as a metal band. A lot of their riffs are indeed metal. They even utilized blastbeats and tremolo picking on some of their early work. I admit I haven't heard much Slipknot, but the little bit a former roommate of mine played for me was enough for me to form an opinion. Slipknot are nu-metal metal; they are a nu metal band that actually plays metal. I don't like them, but I still view them as a metal band.
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eh, maybe riff-wise, yes. but they have too many pop elements in their sound to be pure actual metal.
Mick Harris (ex-Napalm Death) perfectly describes my feelings about them:
"The Whole nu-metal thing, it's an amalgamation of everything-Your Godflesh is there, your Napalm, your Carcass, They're just doing their new friendly pop version, which is musically very sad, I'm sorry to say. It does absolutely nothing for me. I look for extreme, I look for something thats's pushing. They're pushing nothing. The only thing they're pushing is big bank accounts from making very, very dross music."
Mick Harris (ex-Napalm Death) perfectly describes my feelings about them:
"The Whole nu-metal thing, it's an amalgamation of everything-Your Godflesh is there, your Napalm, your Carcass, They're just doing their new friendly pop version, which is musically very sad, I'm sorry to say. It does absolutely nothing for me. I look for extreme, I look for something thats's pushing. They're pushing nothing. The only thing they're pushing is big bank accounts from making very, very dross music."
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I think the self titled album is pretty good. One of the few nu-metal albums I can still stomach occasionally. Iowa was a piece of shit and I haven't heard anything else by them since.
Probably hardcore/grindcore influence, given the riffing style and prevalence of breakdowns and "bouncy" riffing. Guitar players, take a look:
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d-0-0-0-6~~~~~~-0-0-1---0-0-1--0-0-0-6~~~~~~~-0-0-1---0-0-1-------It should be easy to see that their guitar work is rooted more in the modern hardcore style of riffing than that of metal.
I got the Vol. 3 Subliminal Verses a couple years back, it was disappointing, really nothing much there, a couple decent songs, but really nothing from that is memorable, I got the self titled one too, it was very interesting and good at the time I listened to it, I need to go back and listen to it now and see how it is for me currently.
What's the difference in Metal and Hardcore styles of guitar? All I really have played on guitar is death metal and black metal, death metal tends to use more chords like this
D3 4
A3 4
E1 2
Also I've played economy picking lines like this one off the top of my head from Cannibal Corpse Fucked With a Knife.
E7-0-6-0-7-0-3-0-2-0-3-0-7-7-7
Death metal rarely uses drop tuning, for one. The rhythm is an important factor that doesn't come across well in tabs, "bouncy" is the best word I can think of to describe hardcore riffing (esp. the prevalence of breakdowns). Also death metal tends to be more melodic, relatively speaking, and doesn't rely so much on the percussive function of the guitar. Check out which of these Slipknot's riffing matches up better with:
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-000-0000-000-0000-000-0000-1-4-1-5-4-1And modern hardcore owes a debt to metal. Hatebreed, for instance, has cited Entombed as an influence in the past.
General Zaroff
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PanzerKunt
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The drummer is amazing and they play metal. You might like it or you might not, denying it only proves that you are an idiot.
Interesting, though I use Drop D tuning in my death metal band, but my music is more like Hammer Smashed Face than Hatebreed.
The rocky stuff, I imagine? I don't hear a lot of Left Hand Path in their sound.
Of course, being influenced by a punk genre that was influenced by a metal genre doesn't exactly make a band metal.
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