Does National Socialism have any truth or relevance to it? I was wondering what everyone thought, I'm inspired to make this thread because of my PM's discussing NS with a friend who has gone back to his NS ways. Basically he has told me things such as "if the white race died out the world would be a worse place, white people are responsible for 99 % of the world's inventions", "White people need to unite together as multicultural societies never work and always end in a powderkeg waiting to explode, segregation is the answer", and "NS doesn't have to be about hating other races, there were plenty of other NS societies who cooperated fine with NS societies of different races".
I think NS is stupid and outdated but I'm interested in what everyone thinks, the claims my friend made seem a bit outrageous, and I will include excerpts of the PM's between me and him below providing they will all fit.
Excerpt 1
What do you believe about NS anyways? A supreme white race, racism, or just being proud of your heritage?
All of those things, and much more - though it's going to help if I define how I view those terms right off...
White supremacy - all this means is the White race ruling supreme wherever they live and set up societies. Somehow this phrase ended up with a bad connotation and is taken to mean the desire to hate and commit acts of genocide against other races, which can't possibly make sense according to the words used in the phrase itself. All White Supremacy means is that Whites should be the rulers of their own communities and masters over their own destinies, which any race should be. Every group, be it of animals or insects or humans, certainly should decide their own fate - otherwise, if outsiders do the deciding, they can't be expected to do what's in the best interest of the group they rule over.
Racism - all this means is being focused on race, especially on one's own. How this got the connotation of "racial hatred" is nonsensical - just a product of media bullshittery. Sure, plenty of racists out there really do hate other races, but plenty also do not, and they only want what's best for their own people. All racism means is acting in the best interests of one's own race - again, much like different kinds of animals do in the wild. Certainly, Whites have the right to think in such manners, especially if we are expected to be accepting and tolerant of other races doing the same thing.
Of course, pride in my White heritage is self-explanatory. But bear in mind, it doesn't mean false or misplaced pride - no National Socialist would assume that the White race (or any ethnicity therein) is free from error; people make the assumption that we NS think the White race is perfect or incapable of doing wrong. Not so - the very existence of philosophies like National Socialism is meant to help Whites correct errors and stay on a good track, not to puff ourselves up with phony ideas about our people. We don't take credit for the noble accomplishments of our ancestors, even though we realize the collective list of achievements and innovations of our people indicates that each and every White individual today posses the same potential to be at least as great as our forebears, if not more so.
National Socialism itself, today, teaches all these things and more. Nazism is about improvement and progress, both on a racial level for all Whites (not just Germans, as it was in the days of its ascendancy) and on an individual level. It is a unifying ideology, meant to inspire all Whites to unite together as a single race of like-minded individuals, to preserve our genetic purity (since that is the only way to ensure that the things that Whites have done will have the chance of happening again), and to positively motivate ourselves back down the road of progress and away from the mental and physical ruin into which we're slipping as a race.
I could go on further, and will be happy to elaborate on anything you want to know more of, but I'll link you to a website I put up to explain my take on National Socialism; you may have to scroll down a bit (damn Yahoo) but there is a link at the bottom that leads to websites I have found informative and helpful in further clarifying the matter. I do try to update it, and indicate the date I last did at the bottom of each page: My Nazi Page.
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I'm glad you linked me to the things about NS, it was interesting and cleared some things up but I still don't like the idea of it. I don't like the idea of a certain race being the leaders/in charge
Why not? What's wrong with a single race being "in charge"? Such societies display themselves to be smoother and less prone to racial strife than multi-racial ones. If each race maintains their own living-space, free from the control or oppression of other peoples, then there simply will be no problems with racial issues.
Contrast that to today's climate, where racial tensions are high in multicultural communities. I came from one such community, and melting pot with different peoples who have different natural wants and needs only turns into a powderkeg waiting to explode.
After the past 50 years in American society (to say nothing of historical examples of multi-racial societies), one thing is evident - by and large, the races don't get along and will not get along no matter how much we may want to change that. Like with a married couple who fights all the time no matter what is done to fix the situation, the only rational solution is separation. Keep the parties apart and let them run their lives free of each other's influence - that's the only sane, and humane, solution.
Multiracial societies just don't work.
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or the idea of anti-race mixing, there's nothing wrong with dating, marrying, or having kids, with someone who isn't white.
I oppose race-mixing for a very simple reason; as I explained on my web page, Whites have many natural psychological predispositions and are prone to doing things a certain way. Every species of living beings are like this. If White folks mix with non-Whites (ie, humans who have altogether different psychological profiles and different predispositions and behaviors), the resulting offspring will not possess what the White parent did - or even what the non-White parent did. It will be a halfway mix of both, superior to the inferior parent but inferior to the superior one, if you follow me. Capable of more than the inferior parent, overall, but not as capable as the superior parent.
In other words, the resulting mixed-race child can't be expected to do as well on average as the average pure-blooded White, much the same as a half-labrador/half-german shepherd can't be as capable as either of its parents in regards to the specific tasks its parents are suited for. For the White race, such a thing is a loss, because we cannot expect non-Whites to produce the civilizations nor create and innovate on the same scale that Whites have historically shown themselves to do. Consequentially, the potential that the White race has will diminish a little.
On the other hand, if all races maintain racial purity, this (among other factors) will contribute to a better evolution for all races. The White race, for example, didn't become what it was for no good reason - it evolved to accomplish the things it did. One of the factors that affected it was the natural habit of White folks (like all races) to procreate only with fellow Whites - this kept the procreation within the boundaries of Nature, within the race, and hence the White race evolved to become what it is now.
Without maintaining racial purity, we'll never evolve further along, as is natural for us. We will introduce alien genetic elements into our race that will alter how it evolves - and observing the sorts of cultures and societies that most non-Whites create, that's a dangerous thing. Also, no non-White race will evolve to become what it is "destined" to become either if it does not maintain racial purity.
If the White race managed to ascend to the heights of creative and innovative ability over the centuries while at the same time remaining racially pure, it stands to reason that, given enough time, all other races can evolve to become highly-creative culture builders as well. Oriental races, like the Japanese, are fine examples of this; Japan is well known for emphasizing racial loyalty and discouraging race-mixing, even with other Oriental peoples, and look at how capable the Japanese people are. The Japanese know that if they allow themselves to mix with non-Japanese, it will dilute and thin out the Japanese blood and if that goes, that which the Japanese naturally create and maintain as a people will perish with it.
Same goes for us Whites - and everyone else.
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I don't like the idea that the white man invented most everything important and that without the white race humanity would slip, people did it, not one race.
Like it or not, it's true. Facts aren't more or less true because we find them hard to accept. I even tried to convince myself of this, time and again, when I ditched my NS - no matter how much social propaganda I listened to, nothing could dethrone that truth from my heart.
Everything we take for granted today we have courtesy of our race. Take our discussion via computer, for example. We use electricity - discovered by Whites. We converse in English - a White-invented and developed language. We type on a plastic keyboard - plastic was developed by Whites. We sit in buildings the architecture of which was developed by Whites, based on older forms of White architecture. We wear clothes that were manufactured with methods developed by Whites (even though they probably come from China, lol). The chairs we sit in, if we're using fancy computer chairs, were developed by Whites - and most forms of chair architecture in use today were White-invented and developed.
Let's go outside; we walk on sidewalks, the concept of which came from Whites. Our cars - more White inventions, powered and furnished with still more White inventions, such as radios or cigarette lighters or so on. We drive on paved roads, which are also a White invention. We use gas and oil in them, both developed by Whites from the crude in the ground. The batteries that provide electrical power were also invented and developed by Whites. The tires the cars ride on - also White inventions. Turn on the radio and hear music - either White-invented (such as classical or country) or owing its invention and development in most part to White-invented and established musical theories and technology. Even rap music wouldn't have been possible without White-invented and developed technology to make it work.
Our jobs are at White-invented and developed companies, in White-invented and developed fields. We use White-invented and developed tools, from microscopes to eyeglasses to medical equipment to construction tools - everything with its roots in one or more naturally innovative White minds.
I could go on, but my fingers would fall off long before I finished. My point is that, without Whites like I said, we would have nothing that we know of and take for granted today. It still boggles my mind to think about it and to consider the legions of things in this world that we owe solely to the naturally creative genius of the White race.
Sure, other races came to many of the same conclusions we Whites did. To different degrees, however, all according to the people in question. On rare occasion, another race even got one up on us, such as the Chinese discovery of gunpowder, which predates the White discovery of it, or the Arabic invention of the Arabic Numeral system. However, these exceptions aside, the White race can be credited with pretty much 99.99% of all the world's known facts and technological advances, all of which we take for granted and none of which are credited to our race as discoveries of our race.
Our own awesome potential is overlooked on a daily basis, and because of this, untold positive inspiration our people so desperately need is lost.
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So are you for segregation?
Like I said, absolutely! It's the only way we can live in peace, and the only way the races have a chance at naturally evolving as nature intended, to be all they can be.
But on a global scale, not a local one. We should not have interracial societies, as that just leads to the racial problems we have today. Only through separation will we have peace.
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I also don't like the idea of all the race unification of Whites coming together, race should be a very little if any type of factor to the future, it should be about individuals working for a better life, no race or racism involved.
Why are you against Whites being united as a race? Don't listen to the social propaganda that we're all forced to listen to that tells us that Whites are naturally hateful and violent. The only way we Whites will truly motivate ourselves as a community of similar beings is to unite along racial lines.
We see the effects of racial unity amongst various races. Blacks, for example, have groups like the Black Panthers who, despite the clashes we Whites have had with them, also try to do positive things for the black communities in America. They, like NS and other White Nationalists, take a very real and unchangeable thing, race, and show it to their fellows as the catalyst they should use to get together, put quarrels behind them, and unite for a better future. Give me a dozen clean, respectable Black Panthers anyday over a hundred slovenly urban thugs who only live for themselves and their base pleasures - give me a dozen clean, respectable White Nationalists (NS or otherwise, though NS achieves this much faster) over a bunch of pleasure-obsessed wage-slaves who only live to make more money and have nothing of real value in their lives.
Time and again, race proves to be the best personal and community-based motivator for humans. Race is the one thing we can't change; we can change our religion, our political party, our country of residence, but our race is unchangeable. Hence, it is the one thing we must not lose sight of.
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But that goes for all races, black people thinking they have a monopoly on the word nigga is racist as is whites having the word cracker attached, basically people should stop getting so upset over words.
Again, these problems would vanish in racially-homogeneous societies. They simply would not exist where only one race populates the area and runs the show. No interracial communities - no interracial strife.
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But that's just what I think, I'm pretty much pro-multiculturalism for the most part and also have no problem with illegal Mexican immigrants coming to America.
You would have a huge problem if you understood the crime and problems they bring.
Mexicans should stay in Mexico - running away from their problems down there in order to become problems to the US doesn't solve anything. Especially given the fact that, usually, it's the better Mexicans who stay behind and the baser ones who sneak across the border. I work hard and I don't have tax money to waste on social welfare programs to feed the next family of a dozen Mexicans who come here, needing free health care and job placement, and no White American should be expected to support them. It's wrong and it's not fixing the problems in Mexico or over here.
Having lived in communities where lots of illegal aliens live, I can tell you it's a bad problem. Especially as Mexican youth are more and more imitating black thug culture, it becomes a bigger issue. Instead of coming here and working hard, they leech off the system, destroy the neighborhoods they move into, and increase the crime rates.
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But I'm sure we have different opinions on the issue of race, I'm curious to see your reaction, I have no hard feelings toward you about it. smile.gif
That's cool - the same goes to you smile.gif
I do admit, I'm a little dismayed at some of the things I've read, but hopefully future talks will give me a chance to better explain the National Socialist position on these issues, and the disposition of the White Nationalist movement overall.
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I look forward to your opinion on my analysis of NS, there's certainly most likely things I have misunderstood in my interpretation of it.
Well, you're new to NS - I don't suppose you've actually had an NS friend, IRL or online, to talk to about it. Believe me, there's a LOT to explain and clarify, and I hardly think I can do it justice with a single PM - or maybe even a dozen. But I'll try nonetheless smile.gif
I encourage you to check out my website and check out the links page also - there are a lot of informative websites out there that address one or more issues I as a National Socialist believe in. I will try to explain and answer as best I can smile.gif
I think NS is stupid and outdated but I'm interested in what everyone thinks, the claims my friend made seem a bit outrageous, and I will include excerpts of the PM's between me and him below providing they will all fit.
Excerpt 1
What do you believe about NS anyways? A supreme white race, racism, or just being proud of your heritage?
All of those things, and much more - though it's going to help if I define how I view those terms right off...
White supremacy - all this means is the White race ruling supreme wherever they live and set up societies. Somehow this phrase ended up with a bad connotation and is taken to mean the desire to hate and commit acts of genocide against other races, which can't possibly make sense according to the words used in the phrase itself. All White Supremacy means is that Whites should be the rulers of their own communities and masters over their own destinies, which any race should be. Every group, be it of animals or insects or humans, certainly should decide their own fate - otherwise, if outsiders do the deciding, they can't be expected to do what's in the best interest of the group they rule over.
Racism - all this means is being focused on race, especially on one's own. How this got the connotation of "racial hatred" is nonsensical - just a product of media bullshittery. Sure, plenty of racists out there really do hate other races, but plenty also do not, and they only want what's best for their own people. All racism means is acting in the best interests of one's own race - again, much like different kinds of animals do in the wild. Certainly, Whites have the right to think in such manners, especially if we are expected to be accepting and tolerant of other races doing the same thing.
Of course, pride in my White heritage is self-explanatory. But bear in mind, it doesn't mean false or misplaced pride - no National Socialist would assume that the White race (or any ethnicity therein) is free from error; people make the assumption that we NS think the White race is perfect or incapable of doing wrong. Not so - the very existence of philosophies like National Socialism is meant to help Whites correct errors and stay on a good track, not to puff ourselves up with phony ideas about our people. We don't take credit for the noble accomplishments of our ancestors, even though we realize the collective list of achievements and innovations of our people indicates that each and every White individual today posses the same potential to be at least as great as our forebears, if not more so.
National Socialism itself, today, teaches all these things and more. Nazism is about improvement and progress, both on a racial level for all Whites (not just Germans, as it was in the days of its ascendancy) and on an individual level. It is a unifying ideology, meant to inspire all Whites to unite together as a single race of like-minded individuals, to preserve our genetic purity (since that is the only way to ensure that the things that Whites have done will have the chance of happening again), and to positively motivate ourselves back down the road of progress and away from the mental and physical ruin into which we're slipping as a race.
I could go on further, and will be happy to elaborate on anything you want to know more of, but I'll link you to a website I put up to explain my take on National Socialism; you may have to scroll down a bit (damn Yahoo) but there is a link at the bottom that leads to websites I have found informative and helpful in further clarifying the matter. I do try to update it, and indicate the date I last did at the bottom of each page: My Nazi Page.
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I'm glad you linked me to the things about NS, it was interesting and cleared some things up but I still don't like the idea of it. I don't like the idea of a certain race being the leaders/in charge
Why not? What's wrong with a single race being "in charge"? Such societies display themselves to be smoother and less prone to racial strife than multi-racial ones. If each race maintains their own living-space, free from the control or oppression of other peoples, then there simply will be no problems with racial issues.
Contrast that to today's climate, where racial tensions are high in multicultural communities. I came from one such community, and melting pot with different peoples who have different natural wants and needs only turns into a powderkeg waiting to explode.
After the past 50 years in American society (to say nothing of historical examples of multi-racial societies), one thing is evident - by and large, the races don't get along and will not get along no matter how much we may want to change that. Like with a married couple who fights all the time no matter what is done to fix the situation, the only rational solution is separation. Keep the parties apart and let them run their lives free of each other's influence - that's the only sane, and humane, solution.
Multiracial societies just don't work.
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or the idea of anti-race mixing, there's nothing wrong with dating, marrying, or having kids, with someone who isn't white.
I oppose race-mixing for a very simple reason; as I explained on my web page, Whites have many natural psychological predispositions and are prone to doing things a certain way. Every species of living beings are like this. If White folks mix with non-Whites (ie, humans who have altogether different psychological profiles and different predispositions and behaviors), the resulting offspring will not possess what the White parent did - or even what the non-White parent did. It will be a halfway mix of both, superior to the inferior parent but inferior to the superior one, if you follow me. Capable of more than the inferior parent, overall, but not as capable as the superior parent.
In other words, the resulting mixed-race child can't be expected to do as well on average as the average pure-blooded White, much the same as a half-labrador/half-german shepherd can't be as capable as either of its parents in regards to the specific tasks its parents are suited for. For the White race, such a thing is a loss, because we cannot expect non-Whites to produce the civilizations nor create and innovate on the same scale that Whites have historically shown themselves to do. Consequentially, the potential that the White race has will diminish a little.
On the other hand, if all races maintain racial purity, this (among other factors) will contribute to a better evolution for all races. The White race, for example, didn't become what it was for no good reason - it evolved to accomplish the things it did. One of the factors that affected it was the natural habit of White folks (like all races) to procreate only with fellow Whites - this kept the procreation within the boundaries of Nature, within the race, and hence the White race evolved to become what it is now.
Without maintaining racial purity, we'll never evolve further along, as is natural for us. We will introduce alien genetic elements into our race that will alter how it evolves - and observing the sorts of cultures and societies that most non-Whites create, that's a dangerous thing. Also, no non-White race will evolve to become what it is "destined" to become either if it does not maintain racial purity.
If the White race managed to ascend to the heights of creative and innovative ability over the centuries while at the same time remaining racially pure, it stands to reason that, given enough time, all other races can evolve to become highly-creative culture builders as well. Oriental races, like the Japanese, are fine examples of this; Japan is well known for emphasizing racial loyalty and discouraging race-mixing, even with other Oriental peoples, and look at how capable the Japanese people are. The Japanese know that if they allow themselves to mix with non-Japanese, it will dilute and thin out the Japanese blood and if that goes, that which the Japanese naturally create and maintain as a people will perish with it.
Same goes for us Whites - and everyone else.
QUOTE
I don't like the idea that the white man invented most everything important and that without the white race humanity would slip, people did it, not one race.
Like it or not, it's true. Facts aren't more or less true because we find them hard to accept. I even tried to convince myself of this, time and again, when I ditched my NS - no matter how much social propaganda I listened to, nothing could dethrone that truth from my heart.
Everything we take for granted today we have courtesy of our race. Take our discussion via computer, for example. We use electricity - discovered by Whites. We converse in English - a White-invented and developed language. We type on a plastic keyboard - plastic was developed by Whites. We sit in buildings the architecture of which was developed by Whites, based on older forms of White architecture. We wear clothes that were manufactured with methods developed by Whites (even though they probably come from China, lol). The chairs we sit in, if we're using fancy computer chairs, were developed by Whites - and most forms of chair architecture in use today were White-invented and developed.
Let's go outside; we walk on sidewalks, the concept of which came from Whites. Our cars - more White inventions, powered and furnished with still more White inventions, such as radios or cigarette lighters or so on. We drive on paved roads, which are also a White invention. We use gas and oil in them, both developed by Whites from the crude in the ground. The batteries that provide electrical power were also invented and developed by Whites. The tires the cars ride on - also White inventions. Turn on the radio and hear music - either White-invented (such as classical or country) or owing its invention and development in most part to White-invented and established musical theories and technology. Even rap music wouldn't have been possible without White-invented and developed technology to make it work.
Our jobs are at White-invented and developed companies, in White-invented and developed fields. We use White-invented and developed tools, from microscopes to eyeglasses to medical equipment to construction tools - everything with its roots in one or more naturally innovative White minds.
I could go on, but my fingers would fall off long before I finished. My point is that, without Whites like I said, we would have nothing that we know of and take for granted today. It still boggles my mind to think about it and to consider the legions of things in this world that we owe solely to the naturally creative genius of the White race.
Sure, other races came to many of the same conclusions we Whites did. To different degrees, however, all according to the people in question. On rare occasion, another race even got one up on us, such as the Chinese discovery of gunpowder, which predates the White discovery of it, or the Arabic invention of the Arabic Numeral system. However, these exceptions aside, the White race can be credited with pretty much 99.99% of all the world's known facts and technological advances, all of which we take for granted and none of which are credited to our race as discoveries of our race.
Our own awesome potential is overlooked on a daily basis, and because of this, untold positive inspiration our people so desperately need is lost.
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So are you for segregation?
Like I said, absolutely! It's the only way we can live in peace, and the only way the races have a chance at naturally evolving as nature intended, to be all they can be.
But on a global scale, not a local one. We should not have interracial societies, as that just leads to the racial problems we have today. Only through separation will we have peace.
QUOTE
I also don't like the idea of all the race unification of Whites coming together, race should be a very little if any type of factor to the future, it should be about individuals working for a better life, no race or racism involved.
Why are you against Whites being united as a race? Don't listen to the social propaganda that we're all forced to listen to that tells us that Whites are naturally hateful and violent. The only way we Whites will truly motivate ourselves as a community of similar beings is to unite along racial lines.
We see the effects of racial unity amongst various races. Blacks, for example, have groups like the Black Panthers who, despite the clashes we Whites have had with them, also try to do positive things for the black communities in America. They, like NS and other White Nationalists, take a very real and unchangeable thing, race, and show it to their fellows as the catalyst they should use to get together, put quarrels behind them, and unite for a better future. Give me a dozen clean, respectable Black Panthers anyday over a hundred slovenly urban thugs who only live for themselves and their base pleasures - give me a dozen clean, respectable White Nationalists (NS or otherwise, though NS achieves this much faster) over a bunch of pleasure-obsessed wage-slaves who only live to make more money and have nothing of real value in their lives.
Time and again, race proves to be the best personal and community-based motivator for humans. Race is the one thing we can't change; we can change our religion, our political party, our country of residence, but our race is unchangeable. Hence, it is the one thing we must not lose sight of.
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But that goes for all races, black people thinking they have a monopoly on the word nigga is racist as is whites having the word cracker attached, basically people should stop getting so upset over words.
Again, these problems would vanish in racially-homogeneous societies. They simply would not exist where only one race populates the area and runs the show. No interracial communities - no interracial strife.
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But that's just what I think, I'm pretty much pro-multiculturalism for the most part and also have no problem with illegal Mexican immigrants coming to America.
You would have a huge problem if you understood the crime and problems they bring.
Mexicans should stay in Mexico - running away from their problems down there in order to become problems to the US doesn't solve anything. Especially given the fact that, usually, it's the better Mexicans who stay behind and the baser ones who sneak across the border. I work hard and I don't have tax money to waste on social welfare programs to feed the next family of a dozen Mexicans who come here, needing free health care and job placement, and no White American should be expected to support them. It's wrong and it's not fixing the problems in Mexico or over here.
Having lived in communities where lots of illegal aliens live, I can tell you it's a bad problem. Especially as Mexican youth are more and more imitating black thug culture, it becomes a bigger issue. Instead of coming here and working hard, they leech off the system, destroy the neighborhoods they move into, and increase the crime rates.
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But I'm sure we have different opinions on the issue of race, I'm curious to see your reaction, I have no hard feelings toward you about it. smile.gif
That's cool - the same goes to you smile.gif
I do admit, I'm a little dismayed at some of the things I've read, but hopefully future talks will give me a chance to better explain the National Socialist position on these issues, and the disposition of the White Nationalist movement overall.
QUOTE
I look forward to your opinion on my analysis of NS, there's certainly most likely things I have misunderstood in my interpretation of it.
Well, you're new to NS - I don't suppose you've actually had an NS friend, IRL or online, to talk to about it. Believe me, there's a LOT to explain and clarify, and I hardly think I can do it justice with a single PM - or maybe even a dozen. But I'll try nonetheless smile.gif
I encourage you to check out my website and check out the links page also - there are a lot of informative websites out there that address one or more issues I as a National Socialist believe in. I will try to explain and answer as best I can smile.gif
