GMD Poll: Metallica's Albums Ranked
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Baroque
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Why would you do the scoring that way? I listed those because I wanted the others to get zero points or the average of the missing lowest scores.
The Ozzman
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Baroque
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Yeah they can, but his scoring method is weird. It penalizes people for not listing the full discography too much. Leave out just one album and your voting power decreases by 11 points.
You should only forfeit 1 point by leaving the last album off. 1st should still get 11 points down to 10th getting 2 points. And then 11th would get 0 pts, or force the 1 point on it. If a person leaves out say 3 albums #9-11, then those remaining albums should get zero points or the average of what 9-11 would get, so 2 points each. But with his system you'd forfeit 30 points of voting power, wtf?
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The Ozzman
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No, he has stated how his scoring works and no policy can get a zero because of how he does it.
CiG
Approximately Infinite Universe
It doesn't penalize people for not having heard all the albums, it incentivizes going ahead and listening to the albums you haven't heard yet.
If you haven't heard it and don't plan to, just list them dead last so your choices get a boost. It makes perfect sense to me.
If you haven't heard it and don't plan to, just list them dead last so your choices get a boost. It makes perfect sense to me.
Baroque
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Krow
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Baroque
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I propose that crimsonfloyd is not following the rules of the thread precisely as he has laid them out, in his follow up explanation at least.
Baroque
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In what way is it beneficial to the results to have people ranking albums they have not heard? And in what way is it beneficial to be able to artificially boost your voting power? Looking at things objectively.
CiG
Approximately Infinite Universe
The Ozzman
Melted by feels
If someone lists seven albums, he doesn't average out eleven albums. He only averages out the seven that person listed. If it were a zero, it would factor into the average. Prove to me this is happening using math.
His scoring is something like:
11-1 = 10
10/7 = 1 3/7 so that's the difference between each rank
Baroque
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He states that albums not listed are not affected positively or negatively.
Let x be a non listed album's score. If x is not positive and x is not negative, then x can only be zero (assuming x is a real number).
In addition cfloyd did not show fractions in his follow up explanation which is another issue here.
CiG
Approximately Infinite Universe
Yes, but the album not being included affects the albums that are listed negatively or positively.
The Ozzman
Melted by feels
I guess you didn't read the Black Sabbath thread then
QED
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It looks like I confused the math teacher, who took the explaination very literally.
To be clarify, if you don't list an album its average points earned is not impacted positively or negatively and therefore, its ranking will not be impacted. For example:
-10 people vote
-6 people rank Hardwired
-4 people don't rank Hardwired
Hardwired's score will be:
Total points earned/6
NOT
Total points earned/10
The rationale behind this is:
1. To encourage people to rank all the albums they've heard and not just the ones they like
2. To not punish albums simply because they haven't been heard.
Of course, someone can subvert the system by listing the albums they haven't heard at the bottom, which I discourage. However, no system is perfect. The frequency with which that is likely to happen is way less than the frequency of people not listing a band's whole discography.
I thought my directions were clear, but if anyone has suggestions for revisions to make them clearer, I'm all ears.
To be clarify, if you don't list an album its average points earned is not impacted positively or negatively and therefore, its ranking will not be impacted. For example:
-10 people vote
-6 people rank Hardwired
-4 people don't rank Hardwired
Hardwired's score will be:
Total points earned/6
NOT
Total points earned/10
The rationale behind this is:
1. To encourage people to rank all the albums they've heard and not just the ones they like
2. To not punish albums simply because they haven't been heard.
Of course, someone can subvert the system by listing the albums they haven't heard at the bottom, which I discourage. However, no system is perfect. The frequency with which that is likely to happen is way less than the frequency of people not listing a band's whole discography.
I thought my directions were clear, but if anyone has suggestions for revisions to make them clearer, I'm all ears.
TechnicalBarbarity
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From worst to best:
Death Magnetic
Hardwired...To Self Destruct
St. Anger
ReLoad
Load
Metallica
Ride the Lightning
Master of Puppets
Kill 'Em All
...And Justice For All
I'm listening to songs from The Black Album now, it's pretty underrated. Some of the songs are quite thrashy; they sound like discarded riffs from the Master of Puppets and 'Justice' sessions.
Death Magnetic
Hardwired...To Self Destruct
St. Anger
ReLoad
Load
Metallica
Ride the Lightning
Master of Puppets
Kill 'Em All
...And Justice For All
I'm listening to songs from The Black Album now, it's pretty underrated. Some of the songs are quite thrashy; they sound like discarded riffs from the Master of Puppets and 'Justice' sessions.
Baroque
Active Member
Mathematically accurate rules should be taken very literally and require no "explaination"
"to be clarify", this is not how averages typically work. zeros are supposed to affect the average. you can define your own averages, but you create biases. This system does not find the best unbiased estimator of the average score.
Baroque
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Nah I didn't care until he started tagging me telling me how i should rate things.
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