Mohammed was epileptic

[SueNC]

If the person's friend moves in to your house, trashes it, eats food out of your refrigerator and throws you out with his support and backing, i'd probably hate that person too.

yes, but that's not the case here, so that analogy doesnt apply.

 

[Hell_Awaits]

we do.
ever had somebody hate you because of who your friends were?
well, this is just as stupid, only bloodier.

when that happens, do you abandon your friends so that other people will like you?

Why is Isreal are friend and what do we gain by their friendship?

 

[fah-q]

Why is Isreal are friend and what do we gain by their friendship?

They buy much of our old military equipment.
They have one of the strongest militaries in the world.
They share our trepidation with countries run by extremists.
Geographically they are smack dab in the center of the Muslim world. Should a conflict happen, Israel is a great place to stage our military.

 

[Hell_Awaits]

here's a REALLY important site to keep up with:

MEMRI TV

That is a cool link

 

[LOS MAGANDOS]

Christianity, Judaism, Islam..

all the same shit... all are abrahamic religions.... they can all kiss my arse

 

[SueNC]

Why is Isreal are friend and what do we gain by their friendship?

they're a successful democracy. the notion that the freedom of democracy can stabilize the Middle East is what keeps us in their corner. the hope is that it will catch on, and eventually, all of the Middle East will give up its 7th century ways and join the rest of the civilized world.

 

[LOS MAGANDOS]

they're a successful democracy. the notion that the freedom of democracy can stabilize the Middle East is what keeps us in their corner. the hope is that it will catch on, and eventually, all of the Middle East will give up its 7th century ways and join the rest of the civilized world.

Israel is not exactly a good example to the rest of the Middle East.. along with Saudi Arabia it probably has the worst Human Rights Abuse Record in the Middle East..

type Israel into the The Amnesty international Website.. and see how many pages come up

 

[SueNC]

Israel is not exactly a good example to the rest of the Middle East.. along with Saudi Arabia it probably has the worst Human Rights Abuse Record in the Middle East..

type Israel into the The Amnesty international Website.. and see how many pages come up

if i type it in, then compare what i find there with what i find if i type in Iran, Iraq, Libya, Darfur, etc...
what will it look like?

 

[Hell_Awaits]

they're a successful democracy. the notion that the freedom of democracy can stabilize the Middle East is what keeps us in their corner. the hope is that it will catch on, and eventually, all of the Middle East will give up its 7th century ways and join the rest of the civilized world.

What will stabilize the middle east is peace between the Israelis and the Palestinians. All the instability in the region originates from that conflict.
You take this fight for land out of the middle east and you'll have your stablilty. Both parties have elected officials by the way so Democracy is not the magic bullet the neo-cons would have you believe.

 

[Patrick R.]

What I dont understand is the whole Palestinian conflict. I understand how all of the arab muslims think Israel stole that chunk of land from the Palestinians back after WW2, basically as payment for the Jews suffering during the war.

Here is where I miss their logic.

1.) For starters, Nothing near or around Israel is "muslim" land, it is all Jewish. The Jews go back, what..3000 years? Whereas Islam started around 600AD, not too far from Christianities start.

Not anymore! But it was for hundreds of years! The Romans squeezed the Jews out of their ‘homeland’ in 70 A.D. also know as the Diaspora. The Jews along with their European allies used this logic along with their persecution under the Third Reich to take another country out from under them. Put it this way, white Christians were persecuted by the millions in the Soviet Union by Jewish investigators know as the Checka etc, should people of Russian descent clear out parts of North Africa where Europeans lived during the Neolithic times? No of course not, their have been population movements and racial persucution for thousands of years, it is time to let it go and be done with it.

2.) Jeruselem is holy to muslims how? Oh yeah, Mohammed ascended to heaven from Jeruselem. ACTUALLY, his "soul" did ..but Mohammed never EVER went to Jeruselem. He had a "seizure" and produced a vision that said Jeruselem was holy..so the entire basis for Muslims thinking that land is holy is based on a farce. I mean, Ive got some huge tracts of land in space I want to sell to these sand monkeys.

But it is holy to Jews and Christians how? With the former it was their ‘biblical homeland’ and the latter it was where Jesus Christ was nailed to the cross. People are ignoring the reality of racial demographics and movements, a post war euphemism by popular geneticist for that would be ‘population movements’. If a large number of people emigrate to a land peacefully or through force and their numbers reach a majority, chances are is that it will be theirs. That is the reality, it has nothing to do with religion which is nothing more then abstract human thoughts…countless beliefs and faiths have come and gone over the years, whereas a peoples genes have remained.

3. Palestinians = nomadic Syrians, that is all.

They are Arabic.

I have never quite understood how, after the Muslim empire was able to wrestle control of the middle east area away from the Holy Roman empire that all of a sudden it was theirs and forever theirs. Their historical claim to the lands are completley false.


Too bad most people have zero knowledge of Europe and the middle east.

Actually the Middle Eastern Muslims penetrated into Europe itself, they were turned back at Vienna twice. They completely overran the Middle East and the Jews weren’t treated bad by them. On the contrary, the Ottomans and the Moors both had Jews in the highest bodies of their administrations which only boosted anti Semitism in Europe. If anybody has a historical claim to a land it is completely false, I say we all separate yes, but to claim a land belonged to your ancestors gives you a moral upper hand is just ridiculous.

 

[Patrick R.]

I don't agree with much of what you wrote but, I do agree that the US does tend to cater to Israel. I am generally not bothered by this because those that oppose Israel are generally enemies of the US.
In regards to the UN, I am glad we don't listen to them. The UN is a corrupt organization.

The UN has been on Israel's side more then anything. You should know what the Israeli government and the Federal government of the United States are doing. Our Federal government has the world under their thumb...the entire world. It is time that the Federal government leave other nations alone while their own people need serious help...Congress and the White House should be filled up with loyal Americans who don't give a rats ass about the Middle East, wish them the best of luck yes, but not send soldiers into their land. The majority of people outside of the US love the US, they are amazed but such things as Disney land, something you and I don't even think about. But what non Americans dislike is the Federal governments power and using the American people for their wars.

 

[fah-q]

I ain't going to renew our ongoing arguement about Israel. I'm still a fuckin' zionist. I don't agree that the UN caters to them either. I do agree that the US should just let most of these fuckers fail. As long as it doesn't harm our interests in the Middle East.
Don't forget, we're there for the oil. . .

 

[Hell_Awaits]

What I am suggesting is nothing. What I did was give a brief synopsis of how most lands have been taken. Even had I been suggesting it. Calling it anarchy is a stretch. Was the US being taken from England anarchy? Was the allied forces pushing the Germans out of England, Poland and parts of Russia anarchy? I think not. Your summation that I believe rights are distributed down the barrel of a gun is a conclusion you jumped to. Much like the one you jump to in regards to science. The scientific method (what science is based on) uses hypotheses. In other words, a suggested explanation. Nowhere will you find the word fact.
Take the blinders off. Calling those that do not agree with you apes is simply narrow minded.

I dont know if its anarchy but the creation of Isreal was bound to rub some people the wrong way....Basically what went down was a group of countries(The UN) decide to create a country in the middle east and then populate that country with Europeans while at the same time displacing the idigenous people. Thats going to cause problems everytime.

 

[Patrick R.]

I ain't going to renew our ongoing arguement about Israel. I'm still a fuckin' zionist. I don't agree that the UN caters to them either. I do agree that the US should just let most of these fuckers fail. As long as it doesn't harm our interests in the Middle East.
Don't forget, we're there for the oil. . .

I can't tell if you are serious about being a Zionist or not. My point is that the Federal goverment should stop playing with Middle Eastern conflicts, that will never happen as long as powerful lobbyist on capital hill force Congress to look out for Israel rather then the United States. We aren't there for oil, if we were then gas shouldn't be over 2.00 $ a gallon.

 

[Hell_Awaits]

I can't tell if you are serious about being a Zionist or not. My point is that the Federal goverment should stop playing with Middle Eastern conflicts, that will never happen as long as powerful lobbyist on capital hill force Congress to look out for Israel rather then the United States. We aren't there for oil, if we were then gas shouldn't be over 2.00 $ a gallon.

Why does Isreal have a lobbyist for our politicians?.... Iraq under Saddam was infinitly more dangerous to Isreali then it was to the U.S....Things that make you go hmmmmmm.....

 

[Patrick R.]

Why does Isreali have a lobbyist for our politicians?.... Iraq under Saddam was infinitly more dangerous to Isreali then it was to the U.S....Things that make you go hmmmmmm.....

In fact, that was the Israeli loyalist in our executive branch motivation for war with Iraq ( Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle etc). They had this war planned out long before they were even in the Bush administration. Jewish groups such as the ADL and AIPAC bribe and force thousands of politicians at a Federal, State, and Local level to look out for their interest. It is about time some American lobbyist to step up and force our own Federal government to look out for our interest.

 

[fah-q]

I can't tell if you are serious about being a Zionist or not. My point is that the Federal goverment should stop playing with Middle Eastern conflicts, that will never happen as long as powerful lobbyist on capital hill force Congress to look out for Israel rather then the United States. We aren't there for oil, if we were then gas shouldn't be over 2.00 $ a gallon.

I was half kidding about being a Zionist. Although, by definition, I probably am. I wasbeing a smart ass about being there for oil. Muslim extremists generally come out of the middle east. Having troops in Iraq and Israel makes perfect strategic sense. It also puts us within striking distance of Korea.
As far as lobbyists go. There is nothing we can do about that.

 

[Patrick R.]

I was half kidding about being a Zionist. Although, by definition, I probably am. I wasbeing a smart ass about being there for oil. Muslim extremists generally come out of the middle east. Having troops in Iraq and Israel makes perfect strategic sense. It also puts us within striking distance of Korea.
As far as lobbyists go. There is nothing we can do about that.

You're spot on.

With the Zionist thing, I can't understand how...you strike me more as a conservative American. Not to the far right or left, just average.

 

[Hell_Awaits]

I was half kidding about being a Zionist. Although, by definition, I probably am. I wasbeing a smart ass about being there for oil. Muslim extremists generally come out of the middle east. Having troops in Iraq and Israel makes perfect strategic sense. It also puts us within striking distance of Korea.
As far as lobbyists go. There is nothing we can do about that.

I agree that there is nothing we can do about lobbyists.....for the the most part i have no problem with lobbyist...it just seems a little odd that you have to be born in this country to be president but a foreign country can influence the legislative branch of our government.....

 

[fah-q]

it just seems a little odd that you have to be born in this country to be president but a foreign country can influence the legislative branch of our government.....

Kind of like citizens paying for healthcare and the non-taxpaying illegals getting it for free.