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rms
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but her deja vu's are only for one instance of her 'future' and the chinese part. who determines what becomes accessible to you? that's kind of my point here, she would get more. there is no governing body that would show her the future so she can see it in the present
I still think they do. The chinese general at the ball clearly was in the future, but she somehow accessed that to use it in the present. no?
definitely, i cant watch Interstellar anymore. Once you know the twist, the film loses any attraction for a 2nd viewing
Einherjar86
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As far as the medium of film can't get beyond the categories of past, present, and future, then yes--the general was in the future and his words affected the present.
But this is the weird paradox of time travel (or more appropriately for this film, timelessness, or the collapse of linear time): once it comes into existence, it exists virtually in all times. The only way that we as viewers can access the narrative is to see her interaction with the general as a future moment that has consequences on the past; but if we extrapolate the premise, then it was also in the past. Memories and projections become interchangeable, which is why some of her memories wind up being projections; following that logic, we could also say that what we interpret as projections are also memories.
I think everything you're saying makes sense, I just think there are ways to dismantle these categories, and I think the film provides the ammunition to do so. The film can't do all of this for us, since it would take too much time (haha) and would ultimately fall apart as a film; so it's incumbent on us to realize the ramifications, even if the film doesn't make them explicit.
But this is the weird paradox of time travel (or more appropriately for this film, timelessness, or the collapse of linear time): once it comes into existence, it exists virtually in all times. The only way that we as viewers can access the narrative is to see her interaction with the general as a future moment that has consequences on the past; but if we extrapolate the premise, then it was also in the past. Memories and projections become interchangeable, which is why some of her memories wind up being projections; following that logic, we could also say that what we interpret as projections are also memories.
I think everything you're saying makes sense, I just think there are ways to dismantle these categories, and I think the film provides the ammunition to do so. The film can't do all of this for us, since it would take too much time (haha) and would ultimately fall apart as a film; so it's incumbent on us to realize the ramifications, even if the film doesn't make them explicit.
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The conclusion of my absurdist 90's porn video retrospective: https://vorticemortale.blogspot.com/2017/04/untamed-cowgirls-of-wild-west-1993.html. Is Jammy Glands from the Rio Grande not one of the greatest titles ever?
rms
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this increased interest in Eraserhead almost seems hipster-y to me...that and Inland Empire are just so fucking out there, I may even argue "Hollywood" reeled Lynch into reality to have him create some of the best stuff out the U.S....
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eraserhead has been widely considered a classic for as long as i've been into movies, has it become more popular recently? inland empire is maybe growing in popularity but i think that's natural given it's not really that old and it's a film that takes a lot of getting used to. it's basically his latter era style pushed to the height of abstraction and unpleasantness, a total assault on the senses, not much traditional storytelling in there.
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rms
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Eraserhead as a classic? I could see it being taught in a specific American film context, but classic? That's rubbish
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No it's definitely been considered a classic for a long time now.
In 2004 it was preserved in the NFR by the Library of Congress, they don't just go ahead and do that for films which have merely had their ratings momentarily inflated by hipster interest.
In 2004 it was preserved in the NFR by the Library of Congress, they don't just go ahead and do that for films which have merely had their ratings momentarily inflated by hipster interest.
rms
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Surprised it's on there but the criteria of aesthetically significant is something I would agree with. But the film now seems to get praise for it's narrative more than its Lynchian-ness which is just strange to me
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i see people talk about how it's *about* certain things, certain anxieties, but i don't remember ever seeing anyone praising it primarily for its narrative?
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