Does National Socialism have any truth or relevance to it?

[seedofvengeance]

I was replying to LadyValerie's and Flames Guy's posts.

 

[Crimson Velvet]

So how is our current system not true capitalism?

Subsidizing.

 

[Zephyrus]

Subsidizing.

Subsidies provide an opportunity for competition, and thus are a necessary check on capitalism.

 

[waif]

or, as einherjar would have it, a boost...

 

[Zephyrus]

So my question to Einherjar is why he favors true capitalism when it is subsidization that enables (as as you put it, boosts) competition?

 

[waif]

he favors an idealized system in which subsidizing would be unnecessary, I guess...because businesses would compete in a totally fair way rather than trying to drive each other out of business...

 

[Crimson Velvet]

Subsidies provide an opportunity for competition, and thus are a necessary check on capitalism.

I am not opposed to all forms of subsidizing, I am merely pointing out that idea of subsidizing conflicts with the principles of true capitalism.

 

[waif]

principles and capitalism in the same sentence...let the irony not be lost upon thee.

 

[Zephyrus]

he favors an idealized system in which subsidizing would be unnecessary, I guess...because businesses would compete in a totally fair way rather than trying to drive each other out of business...

Well there is no such thing as competition that produces all winners and no losers.

 

[waif]

Well there is no such thing as competition that produces all winners and no losers.

uh...could probably be worked out. But definitely not in the way we think of competition...

 

[The Ozzman]

Corporate subsidies are stupid and should be outlawed. If a business can't make it, tough shit.

 

[waif]

your compassion for victims of underhanded strategies is duly noted.

 

[Zephyrus]

Corporate subsidies are stupid and should be outlawed. If a business can't make it, tough shit.

So what if the corporation you currently work for either gets bought out or can't compete with a larger corporation in the same realm, and as a result you get laid off?

 

[waif]

^what I said, but more intelligent

 

[Zephyrus]

I think Einherjar has left the building.

 

[waif]

yeah, he said he was calling it in...
I'm gonna go in a minute too...

 

[Zephyrus]

Same. This whole discussion killed most of my reading time. It was worth it though.

 

[waif]

bed time for me. I have to get up at 7 and I'm no good without 8+ hours...

 

[cookiecutter]

Same. This whole discussion killed most of my reading time. It was worth it though.

Bah! I was doing research while this was going. Anyway I'd like to respond to Einherjar86 if I may.

First of all, if we are going to have an argument, lets have it be about reality and what I initially said. What you did was pit Soviet style communism against your idealized form of Capitalism and it is clear there which is better. If you read what I said, I said that there are many good aspects of socialism, such as social welfare.

This brings me to my next point. You said that the US does not have the suffering majority nowadays and I mostly agree. This however is not due to Capitalism improving everyones lives. On the contrary, it is the move away from laissez-faire policies that dominated pre-Great Depression America and towards a mixed economy. I personally would like to the US economy add a little more socialism into the mix a la Europe.

Clearly I do not advocate for the elimination of competition as you routinely implied. I just think that having an active Government that provides insurance and aid to those who need it is beneficial to both society and economy.

I would like to add a disclaimer that, although I find this an interesting topic and have devoted a lot of thought research into it, I am not an economist and most of my ideas come from knowledge of history and of current events. I don't want to make it seem like I think I am a know-it-all here, but I do think my position is reasonable and correct.

 

[Rabid Headbanger]

Like Cookie said, all systems have thier flaws.

Personally, I think nationalism is an archaic concept.