I bought a new car (the "I wanna be like Gugs" thread)...

Honda rolls out new zero-emission car


By TOMOKO A. HOSAKA, Associated Press Writer
Posted Mon Jun 16, 2008 8:31am PDT

TAKANEZAWA, Japan - Honda's new zero-emission, hydrogen fuel cell car rolled off a Japanese production line Monday and is headed to Southern California, where Hollywood is already abuzz over the latest splash in green motoring.

The FCX Clarity, which runs on hydrogen and electricity, emits only water and none of the noxious fumes believed to induce global warming. It is also two times more energy efficient than a gas-electric hybrid and three times that of a standard gasoline-powered car, the company says.

Japan's third biggest automaker expects to lease out a "few dozen" units this year and about 200 units within three years. In California, a three-year lease will run $600 a month, which includes maintenance and collision coverage.

Among the first customers are actress Jamie Lee Curtis and filmmaker husband Christopher Guest, actress Laura Harris, film producer Ron Yerxa, as well as businessmen Jon Spallino and Jim Salomon.

"It's so smooth," said Harris, who played villainness Marie Warner on the hit TV show "24" and was flown over by Honda for the ceremony. "It's like a future machine, but it's not."

The FCX Clarity is an improvement of its previous-generation fuel cell vehicle, the FCX, introduced in 2005.

A breakthrough in the design of the fuel cell stack, which is the unit that powers the car's motor, allowed engineers to lighten the body, expand the interior and increase efficiency, Honda said.

The fuel cell draws on energy synthesized through a chemical reaction between hydrogen gas and oxygen in the air, and a lithium-ion battery pack provides supplemental power. The FCX Clarity has a range of about 270-miles per tank with hydrogen consumption equivalent to 74 miles per gallon, according to the carmaker.

The 3,600-pound vehicle can reach speeds up to 100 miles per hour.

John Mendel, executive vice president of America Honda Motor Co., said at a morning ceremony it was "an especially significant day for American Honda as we plant firm footsteps toward the mainstreaming of fuel cell cars."

The biggest obstacles standing in the way of wider adoption of fuel cell vehicles are cost and the dearth of hydrogen fuel stations. For the Clarity's release in California, Honda said it received 50,000 applications through its website but could only consider those living near stations in Torrance, Santa Monica and Irvine.

Initially, however, the Clarity will go only to a chosen few starting July and then launch in Japan this fall.

California Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger has called for a statewide network of hydrogen stations, but progress has been slow.

The state has also recently relaxed a mandate for the number of zero-emission cars it aims to have on roads. By 2014, automakers must now sell 7,500 electric and hydrogen fuel cell vehicles, a reduction of 70 percent.

Spallino, who currently drives Honda's older FCX and was also flown in for the ceremony, said he will use the Clarity to drive to and from work and for destinations within the Los Angeles area. The small number of hydrogen fuel stations is the "single limiting factor" for fuel cell vehicles, he said.

"It's more comfortable, and it handles well," said Spallino of Redondo Beach. "It's got everything. You're not sacrificing anything except range."

The world's major automakers have been making heavy investments in fuel cells and other alternative fuel vehicles amid climbing oil prices and concerns about climate change.

Although Honda Motor Co. was the first Japanese automaker to launch a gas-electric hybrid vehicle in the U.S. in 1999, it has been outpaced by the dominance of Toyota's popular Prius.

Toyota announced in May that it has sold more than 1 million Prius hybrids, while both the Honda Insight and the hybrid Accord have been discontinued due to poor sales.

Honda also plans to launch a gas-electric hybrid-only model, as well as hybrid versions of the Civic, the sporty CR-Z and Fit subcompact.

Toyota has announced that it would launch a plug-in hybrid with next-generation lithium-ion batteries by 2010 and a hydrogen fuel cell vehicle later in Japan later this year.

U.S. carmaker General Motors Corp. plans to introduce a Chevrolet Volt plug-in electric vehicle in 2010. It also introduced a test-fleet of hydrogen fuel cell Equinox SUVs.

Honda has no plans for a plug-in electric vehicle. President Takeo Fukui said he does not believe current battery technology is good enough to develop a feasible car.

The company has not revealed how much each car costs to make, and it is unclear when, or if, the car will be available for mass-market sales. Takeo has set a target for 2018, but meeting that goal will depend on whether Honda can significantly lower development and assembly costs as well as market reaction to fuel cells.
 
Thats pretty cool, the fuel cells are the major factor in holding hydrogen cars back along with the fuel stations. I've seen people with kits that run hydrogen on normal petrol vehicles, they don't run straight hydrogen but run a mix so you can lean out the petrol a fair bit. I think it will be possible at some point to convert current petrol and diesel cars to full hydrogen like cars are converted to LPG.

I don't see electric as a viable source personally e.g. pretty much all power in Australia comes from coal fired power stations so it is merely shifting the problem and in turn will increase energy costs a great deal because of all the carbon footprint laws coming in.
 
My car is beginning to run like ass. I believe my transmission is on the fritz, as every time I accelerate you can feel the undercarriage stutter like a kid looking for a prom date. When I approach red lights and de-accelerate the auto begins to rumble like Starr Jones at Hometown Buffet. Perhaps it could be the catalytic converter? I don't know fuck all about these scrap heaps that gouge us for every penny were worth. I might as well lube up the exhaust and go to town.
 
yeah, I really wanted to drive it. that's me actually in it about halfway through the video, totally squeezed in, and then a crowd gathered. :lol:
 
I noticed the location of the vehicles does not match up at all to the description of the accident.
 
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Uncanny. I was thinking this very thing today. I noticed some random Buick in the parking lot and thought of how utterly stupid GM has always been to release the same basic car in 8 different variations to, apparently, try to appeal to different levels of redneckery/old-timerey. I tried to think of a single name of an Oldsmobile (which is, of course, defunct) and couldn't. Eighty-eight? Is that one?
GM should've been left to die. It's been dying for decades. What bail-out package can save such a legacy of bad decisions? And they're constantly coming out with shit like the Camaro. When I saw the recent article on how it was going to be a reality, I just thought it was some kind of joke.

Meanwhile, there is a HUGE Saturn plant in a neighboring county here. Should be interesting.
 
I can only imagine what Henry Ford would be thinking if he were alive today. He'd probably tell these fucktard factory workers who refuse to accept even the most marginal of pay cuts, that their wages will be slashed in half, take it or take a hike. Is a Taurus really worth $34,000?!? :err:
 
from a european perspective there hasn't been a single noteworthy american car since the 1967 pontiac firebird i hope this helps
 
the funny thing is that Saturn probably has the best looking lineup in GM's fleet. It's jusy too "non-American" looking for GM to market to middle-American rednecks and they don't know what to do with it.
and the Pontiac G8 based on a Holden is I think GM's best car period today ... all around winner for the price. Again, too "Euro" to market.

so we will have Chevy and Cadillac left (since Hummer and Saab are for sale also) ... its good that they are only keeping a volume and a premium line but I think the market to which Cadillac is aimed at recently looks wise (namely, Jerry's favorite people) don't qualify for credit any longer to support the brand.