Meshuggah. Simple like or dislike poll

Do you like Meshuggah

  • Yes

    Votes: 31 45.6%

  • No

    Votes: 37 54.4%
  • Total voters
    68
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I don't understand how I can be any more specific. Have you heard Soulfly? That particular Meshuggah song has a similar "jumpdafuckup" songwriting structure that transitions between rhythmic open-stringed palm mutes followed by a brief chord. I've heard that riffing style used in nu-metal more than any sub-genre of "metal".
 
Jumpdafuckup (another nu metal staple; how about you use Crawling as your next example?) is also full of whiny metal-riff-absent semi-spoken verses, more so than its aggressive vaguely-reminiscent-of-Meshuggah moments. And come on, "rhythmic open-stringed palm mutes followed by a brief chord"? You just described a hefty chunk of Bonded By Blood's riffs.
 
Yeah, the difference being that they aren't "hip-hopishly" rhythmic. Are you honestly asking me to search within "the depths of the nu-metal underground"? You act like it's a genre that people invest time in. Most of the bands, whether they're considered "derogatory" or not, were briefly popular in the 90s. It's not a genre that goes into much depth and you're seriously dumb if you're actually using the argument that "you just aren't knowledgable enough about nu-metal if you think Meshuggah have similarities." I listened to that song and got a "jumpdafuckup" vibe which, in turn, triggered a "this sucks" switch in my brain. I honestly don't even give a shit if you consider it nu-metal or not but you seriously don't know what you're talking about if you think that song is anything close to thrash.
 
ObscureInfinity said:
Yeah, the difference being that they aren't "hip-hopishly" rhythmic. Are you honestly asking me to search within "the depths of the nu-metal underground"? You act like it's a genre that people invest time in. Most of the bands, whether they're considered "derogatory" or not, were briefly popular in the 90s. It's not a genre that goes into much depth and you're seriously dumb if you're actually using the argument that "you just aren't knowledgable enough about nu-metal if you think Meshuggah have similarities." I listened to that song and got a "jumpdafuckup" vibe which, in turn, triggered a "this sucks" switch in my brain. I honestly don't even give a shit if you consider it nu-metal or not but you seriously don't know what you're talking about if you think that song is anything close to thrash.
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You're a seriously fucking massive dumbass if you think I made that argument anywhere. You made a very general and unsubstantiated claim that New Millennium Cyanide Christ sounds like nu metal and haven't offered any sound proof or reasoning to support your claim. Being that calling bands "nu metal" derogatorily is a somewhat common event on metal forums (see people complain about nu Slayer and nu Exodus and nu this and nu that), I assumed that you were doing likewise. When you offer Slipknot, Korn, and Jumpdafuckup as examples of similar material you continued being stereotypically "tr00", and instead of going further in depth as to what makes Meshuggah sound like those bands, you continued repeating the same old "rhythm" bullshit. And now they're "hip-hopishly" rhythmic. I'd ask you to elaborate on what hip-hopishly rhythmic bands sound like, but you'd probably give me Snoop Dogg and Public Enemy and some more racial slurs, like negrythm or something equally witty.
 
All I said is that it reminded me of nu-metal songs I've heard. I didn't even give my opinion about the fucking band in that particular post. I explained why I think Meshuggah sounds like those bands but you seem to not like the "rhythmic" argument so I don't even know what more there is to say on the matter. How can I possibly provide more "proof" anyway? I could post nu-metal songs that are comparable to that Meshuggah song but I'm sure you'd give the baseless "those bands are derogatory of the genre" retort (what fucking nu-metal bands are NOT considered derogatory?). You're dissecting a post that wasn't saying anything more than "this reminds me of nu-metal." No, maybe the band can't necessarily be lumped into nu-metal but it clearly has similarities that keep me from liking the fucking band.
 
ObscureInfinity said:
All I said is that it reminded me of nu-metal songs I've heard. I didn't even give my opinion about the fucking band in that particular post. I explained why I think Meshuggah sounds like those bands but you seem to not like the "rhythmic" argument so I don't even know what more there is to say on the matter. How can I possibly provide more "proof" anyway? I could post nu-metal songs that are comparable to that Meshuggah song but I'm sure you'd give the baseless "those bands are derogatory of the genre" retort (what fucking nu-metal bands are NOT considered derogatory?). You're dissecting a post that wasn't saying anything more than "this reminds me of nu-metal." No, maybe the band can't necessarily be lumped into nu-metal but it clearly has similarities that keep me from liking the fucking band.
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If you actually gave an opinion, like "Meshuggah sounds worse than nu metal, like Slipknot and Korn", I wouldn't have bothered responding to your post because others have called them a shit band in this thread as well. You try to sound all factual and intelligent by comparing their musical characteristics to the sub-genre, instead of explaining that it "triggered a "this sucks" switch" in post #71. Not #103.

You still seem to be misunderstanding my argument: I'm NOT saying that Slipknot and Korn are derogatory in the sense that they misrepresent the sub-genre. I'm saying that they are cop-out answers, and that by naming them so casually you are demonstrating that you have barely listened to them yourself and don't have a clue as to what they sound like. If you found a specific Korn or Slipknot song and then actively compared it to New Millennium Cyanide Christ you could have made a legitimate point.
 
All I said was that the song reminded me of nu-metal (and I'd also note that this has been the case with every time I tried and failed to get into the band), the extent of how much relation it has with nu-metal being irrelevant. Once again, my original post was not in need of a breakdown in logic. I don't like excessive rhythmic songwriting, both of which nu-metal and THAT particular song have. I'm sorry that you don't like that argument but it's a very simple answer to why I don't like it. You made an argument when there wasn't an argument to be had in the first place. I explained several times why I don't like it and it doesn't seem to be registering with you for some reason so I see no reason to continue this any further.

They are not thrash by any stretch of the imagination. Why do you think, generally speaking, people that like 80s thrash don't like the band? To be tr00 (or whatever contrived "elitist" argument you people come up with)?
 
ObscureInfinity said:
How about you name some elements that Meshuggah have in commmon with thrash metal because I quite frankly don't hear any.
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How about the entire Contradictions Collapse album?

Here are some songs:




 
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To be fair, those songs are definitely closer to thrash metal but I still hear tough-guy nu-metal elements.

Oh shit, I stated an opinion without justification or "proof" that never says the word "rhythmic" in it, better get on that...
 
ObscureInfinity said:
To be fair, those songs are definitely closer to thrash metal but I still hear tough-guy nu-metal elements.
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Come on man, Contradictions Collapse was 1991. Even Pantera had barely dipped their toe into the tough-guy at that point; Meshuggah must be freakin' nu metal pioneers or something.

EDIT: And I find it pretty silly too considering that while "tough-guy" elements are commonplace in knuckle-dragging thrash like Slayer, Exodus, and Overkill, Meshuggah has never (AFAIK) written a single song related to it.
 
Well my guess is that album came out around the time when thrash was transitioning into that Pantera-esque territory.

Yeah, yeah, I've heard that argument in defense of metal/deathcore. There's a pretty big difference between early Slayer and the macho jock bullshit style that Pantera made popular essentially ruining both thrash and hardcore with one fell swoop.
 
If thrash was transitioning into Pantera-esque territory in 1991, surely it had to be some unconscious and subliminal force causing it as Pantera was merely opening for Exodus and Suicidal Tendencies (I think) at that time. It wasn't until Vulgar that you could really argue their influence was taking over, especially since Cowboys From Hell was more of a traditional/power/thrash effort anyways, with very little tuff-guy to find. And pinning the death of thrash on them is silly since the popular bands were killing themselves quite nicely without Pantera's help.

Yeah, actually all the Slayer I was thinking of is late 90's/00's Slayer which obviously has plenty of Pantera influence to bear. Exodus on the other hand...

So you think you're good and ready?
If you do your bubble is gonna burst
We're getting whipped into a frenzy
And you're the one we'll punish first
We've got our muscles pumped and primed
To release our devastating force
Non-stop unrelenting aggression
To us is par for the course!

No one's there to lend you a hand
You better help yourself, 'cause I hope you understand
Self-centered, back-stabbing egotist
Don't fuckin' ask for favors, 'cause you're on my blacklist

We do what we do 'cause we fucking want to
Never give a shit what others say to you
They try to give advice just to find we're cold as ice
Worthless opinions need not be spoken twice

Pure tuff-guy neanderthal. 80's thrash had a lot of lyrical stupidity.
 
Everyone should just shut the fuck up, chug a beer and turn this shit up full blast.

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEFe-PC35qk&feature=related[/ame]
 
HamburgerBoy said:
Yeah yeah, "not enough notes", "stripped down", "jumpdafuckup", "rhythmic and repetitive", ok. Thrash has always been one of the most rhythmic sub-genres of metal itself, and your post only repeated the claim that somehow such a degree of rhythmic centricity is contrary to that. If you want to make me feel like I don't know what I'm talking about (which is certainly possible) you could at least use some fancy music theory terminology to do so.
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I didn't use fancy music theory terminology because I figured it would go right over your head, you fucking twerp. Do you even have a rebuttal here? What is your argument? So what if thrash metal is one of the most rhythmically oriented subgenres of metal? For one thing, the riff constructions in most thrash metal are nowhere near as rhythm-centric as the riffs in the song we're discussing. At any rate, the real substance of my claim was that the song we're discussing has a rhythmic sensibility that is so fucking far from thrash metal as to not even be in the vicinity of the same ballpark. Seriously, the way the riffs in that song are constructed and the whole rhythmic pulse of the song are so much closer to nu metal than thrash metal, and you haven't a goddamn thing to say to disprove that because you know it's true and you have too much goddamn pride to admit that you're wrong.

How about a paradigmatic example of thrash metal to help us out here?



There is more going on tonally in the above song within the first minute than there is in that entire Meshuggah song aside from the lead guitar diversions. Furthermore, it perfectly illustrates the contrast in rhythmic sensibility that I mentioned numerous times already. Moreover, the guitar even within just the first minute of the song is already driving the song forward melodically as opposed to what the rhythm guitar is doing in that Meshuggah song, which is acting as little more than a handmaiden to the rhythmic pulse of the song, for the entire damn song.
 
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I have had a good laugh reading over this, i mean i thought i have heard some bullshit about meshuggah, but the nu metal reference takes the cake! Anyone that likens meshuggah to nu metal is fucking deaf.
 
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