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[HamburgerBoy]

In the rough nasally ballpark and similar vocal melodies. How does it "not make sense" that a doom metal vocalist might try to sound like the original doom metal frontman?

 

[Omni]

They don't sound alike and John Brenner sings with a different style and approach than Ozzy Osbourne. They are extremely different. The vocal melodies in Revelation also don't follow the guitar parts like they do in Black Sabbath. Very different singer.

John Brenner also displays a clear influence from 1980s-1990s alternative rock singers (mainly grunge) and uses the same type of sustained enunciation that you'll see in those bands. Ozzy Osbourne definitely did not display that tendency.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Ozzy doesn't only follow guitar lines, have you listened to any Black Sabbath that isn't Iron Man?

Which alternative rock/grunge singers?

 

[Omni]

Ozzy Osbourne follows the guitar melodies in tons of Black Sabbath songs. His vocal parts are also incomparable to the ones in Revelation because they're dependent on rhyming verse-chorus structures that define the meter of what he sings, unlike Revelation where this doesn't occur. They don't sing in the same vocal range, sing in a similar meter or sing similar vocal melodies.

John Brenner's influences include singers like Layne Staley and John Garcia, both of whom use sustained droning vocals during parts of their songs that he coincidentally also uses heavily. Ozzy Osbourne does not.

Musically, Trouble, Soundgarden and Rush are among the many bands that Brenner cited as influences on his songwriting. He also plays guitar in the band. That isn't relevant to the current discussion, but I feel like it's worth mentioning since Revelation is one of the cool Baltimore bands with these influences. Their fans should check out Unorthodox.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Where do you hear "sustained droning vocals" in that Revelation song? He hardly sustains shit, he just moans through most of it. The song in the playlist was recorded before Dirt and Blues for the Red Sun even came out.

Unorthodox is a horrible band and I implore everyone reading this discussion not to listen to them, btw. The worst elements of retro doom and alternative rock mixed into one.

 

[Omni]

Nobody who would like Unorthodox would take your posts seriously, so they're in vain.

This album was recorded before albums that aren't the debut albums for those bands came out? Interesting.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

lol, so you're seriously going to tell me that Revelation recorded multiple albums, listened to Facelift, and then the singer said "Hey I'm changing my style to sound like Stayley now"?

 

[Omni]

I gave two examples of singers that John Brenner was influenced by. There are others too. Weirdly enough, he has mentioned being influenced by grunge, alternative rock and stoner rock in interviews and is also friends without Dale Flood from Unorthodox, another band with similar influences from the same city and time period.

Whether you like it or not, he doesn't sing in the same range or style as Ozzy Osbourne.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

Based on the above song, he does sing in a lower register than Ozzy. He still sings similar vocal melodies and carries a similar nasal inflection.







The verse melody, his signing tone, his range, and everything else clearly come closer to Ozzy and Layne.

EDIT: This forum is stupid, but those are supposed to redirect to 2m9s, 45s, and 20s respectively.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

You're being dishonest as usual anyways, because I can easily find interviews where he mentions his Sabbath influence. "John Brenner" + "Layne Staley" barely even returns any results.

 

[Omni]

You're being dishonest as usual anyways

Irony. I'm done here.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

"I can't back up any of my arguments, and citing Wikipedia is no longer helping"

 

[Funerary_Doom]

HBB, give it a rest now.

 

[no country for old wainds]

this conversation was truly... revelatory.

 

[Vegard Pompey]

So I guess NWoBHM doesn't qualify as metal anymore.

 

[arg]

limelight sounds metal to me

 

[EspaDa]

I updated my ratings. That Dark Millennium song is unavailable for me and I can't find it anywhere.

 

[CiG]

John Brenner rules. Ozzy rules too. Who cares about anything beyond these truths?

Edit: also it's unfair to tell HBB to knock it off when Omni started this. Just saying.

 

[The Butt]

What are the decent songs?

Frantic
St. Anger
The Unnamed Feeling

 

[no country for old wainds]

by those standards i had several 'decent' shits this week