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That's it, I'm done with this team and management!!!
Let's see where the next stop is on the bandwagon!
Let's see where the next stop is on the bandwagon!
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Mort Divine
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Justin Schultz I presume? He's a good D-Man that needs a change of scenary. Edmonton is such a dumpster fire right now...
And I can't believe Edmonton could possibly get another 1st overall pick. If they were wise they'd trade it along with Eberle or Nugent-Hopkins for a top 2 D-Man if they can.
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End of Glory
Crucify Your Faith
End of Glory
Crucify Your Faith
We're past "win now". Saarela were promising as fuck and I'm tired of this shithole of a team trades for a veteran way past his prime.
rms
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The current trend in the NHL is to max out your competitive window and then tank, enjoy the competition. NYR won't ever win unless Henrik posts a .980sv% anyways
Man, I'm trying to figure out why Montreal would claim Mike Brown from San Jose and then trading Devante Smith-Pelley for Stefan Matteau from New Jersey. I mean DSP hasn't really shown promise ever since coming from Anaheim and the same goes for Matteau for NJ I suppose. So it'll be interesting to see how it plays out.
I mean Mike Brown was brought in to toughen up the roster a bit and I highly doubt we need that considering how much of a giant Michael MacCaron is.
I mean Mike Brown was brought in to toughen up the roster a bit and I highly doubt we need that considering how much of a giant Michael MacCaron is.
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You should have added "and then reach a point where you can compete for the cup again", or something like that. You know, just in case somebody from Edmonton's management reads this thread by any chance. I don't believe they realize tanking alone isn't the way to win a cup
.Anyway, I really don't to recall any team being successful the last 10 years without tanking hard or at least sucking for a few years, with the exception of the Red Wings. So you def got a point there. And even the Red Wings don't seem to be able to recharge the way they used to anymore, so tanking these days is possibly the best bet of MAYBE getting a cup contender's roster. Well, with the right management of course.
It's crazy now. if you think you're guaranteed to make the post season you're not. When I was watching Trade Center, they came up with this stat board and It showed playoff streaks, there were 4 teams that currently had streaks of consecutive years in the post season and the lowest of them was 4 years or something like that. Like back in the 90's things were much different. But just 4 years, that says something about todays NHL man. You ain't guaranteed shit.
Mort Divine
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rms
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DET would have tanked a long time ago if they didn't find two franchise players in the 6th round. And then they get Larkin which is even luckier.
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Well, that's it though - "if". I think their drafting was WAY ahead of time as was their development of young players. By now, things have pretty much leveled out and weaker teams still keep getting better, but what the Red Wings as an organization did for hockey the last few decades is quite astonishing.
rms
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Yeah, DET is so good at drafting they just let two franchise players 'slip' to the 8th round. And Nyquist. Lindstrom? Oh yeah, waited perfectly at 53.
I bet you think New England let Tom Brady slip to the 6th round too
It's quite lucky, don't be ridiculous. And lucky with their influence in getting Russian defectors
I bet you think New England let Tom Brady slip to the 6th round too
It's quite lucky, don't be ridiculous. And lucky with their influence in getting Russian defectors
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I don't follow NFL or whatever sport Brady is playing and you might wanna read up on why Russians went to the Red Wings and what kind of drama surrounded those acquisitions (like Fedorov bolting while in NA with the national team and how they kept in touch with him several years and prepared the whole escape and had to secretly move Fedorov). The Wings were ahead of their time, they had scouts looking where most other teams assumed there's nothing to be scouted. With Lidstrom, it was a careful strategy. They heard about this kid from a connection, went to see him play and then had the other person agree he wouldn't talk to anybody else about Lidstrom. With Zetterberg they had him projected to play at NHL level, but scouting and drafting in Europe wasn't on the level it is today back then and drafting an European player was considered to be much riskier, so there was a chance that alone would decrease a drafted players perceived value (thus drafter in a later round). To think that the Wings were the best team of their era for a long time and have the longest play-off streak because they got lucky... man, that's a whole different level of ridiculous.
The fact that you know very little about these things, the fact that you misspelled Lidstrom as Lindstrom (the omission of "ö" is kinda standard, but seeing as you know very little I'd doubt you just misspelled his name) and the fact that you believe that organizations in the best hockey league draft well based on luck and don't experiment, learn, copy and develop better drafting strategies... well, if that sounds right to you, I guess there's no reason to continue this discussion.
The only thinh that would make your post understandable is if you were a Toronto fan - I mean, if your team drafts that terribly (with the exception of the last 2 drafts, which have yet to show their full potential), I can see why you would want to convince yourself it's all about luck, but otherwise...
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It's not impossible, but more unlikely to get a young franchise player these days in later rounds. Scouting has improved greatly the past few decades. If you look at Backstrom and Ovi, who for years are the Caps corner stones - 1st & 4th pick. Islanders and Tavares? 1st. Getzlaf & Perry - 19 & 28. Colorado - Duchene 3rd & Johnson 1st. Tampa Bay - Stamkos 1st. Malking & Crosby for Pens - 2nd & 1st. Dallas' Seguin - 2nd, King's Kopitar went 11th. Vancouver's Sedins? 2nd & 3rd. And most importantly Chicago's Toews & Kane - 3rd & 1st. The list goes on. I don't include goalies, since goalies are strategically drafted with later picks and are a whole different story.
And sure, you'll find a lot of great talent in later rounds (Bergeron went 45th, although he won't score enough points to win you a championship as your top center, but I still admire him as a warrior and leader or even the undrafter Panarin), but when rebuilding, you want a player you can build your franchise around. That's why you tank. To get the next Ovechkin, Crosby, Tavares, Stamkos. That's how you get a gem like McDavid or a Jack Eichel. Those cornerstone players don't go in later rounds these days as frequently as they used to anymore. And Mike Babcock himself hinted in an interview (take with a grain of salt, I don't remember the exact wording - it's been a while) that Detroit might have been successful for too long and from that and the fact that Toronto is tanking too I think he also knows that that's what it takes these days. It's no coincidence that the Pens, Blackhawks & Kings sucked or straight-out tanked before their more recent successful eras.
rms
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how ridiculous can you be. How does Jamie Benn be a 6th round pick when there are 100 busts before him? Because it's a skilled pick by Dallas? Christ Mort, I thought you were logical. First, quit being all douchey because I accidentally added an N to Lidstrom. And no, i'm not going to add the Swedish O to seem like a douche as well.
Yeah it was skill they took Lid and Fedorov in the 3rd and 4th round..do you know how they took in the first two? Bob Boughner and Mike Sillinger. Who are the better two players here? And if they knew that Lid and Fed were better, why didn't they take them two early and use a different player for their 3rd and 4th round picks?
Oh so drafting is pure skill but winning championships isn't? Jesus christ are you a Detroit fan, is this why you're being so obnoxious? Professional sports has so much chance/randomness/luck in it.
Mort Divine
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It's scouting.
Sure some luck involved, but if you scout a player and think they will be great, but no one else is high on them you can afford to take the risk of letting them go a bit further in the draft.
Sure some luck involved, but if you scout a player and think they will be great, but no one else is high on them you can afford to take the risk of letting them go a bit further in the draft.
