I agree. You guys do know that Disposition/Reflection/Triad are actually one song split into three, right?
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I agree. You guys do know that Disposition/Reflection/Triad are actually one song split into three, right?
But that doesn't justify people saying that this band is poo because it's not exactly the same as my all-time favorite band. Give good reasons why you don't like a band, not retarded comments about how Tool sucks because Radiohead is better. That's just stupid.
No, I agree completely. I find it highly annoying when people say "your music sucks, mine is good," and have no explaination behind it. My comment was actually directed more towards the kind of people who get super offended when others don't like or understand Opeth, even when they clearly state that the music is too dark/heavy/not their cup of tea, etc. etc.
Yeah, I agree with you completely. I'm just saying that people should justify their reasons why they don't like a certain band instead of making stupid comments, and also that people shouldn't be offended if somebody else doesn't like their favorite band if they give good reasons why. I think it's ok to get mad at someone who doesn't give any reasons at all. Also, if everybody liked the same band as you, they would be monstrously huge. Everybody has different musical tastes, and not everybody will like the same stuff as you.
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TO CYNICAL BASTARDS POST(S):
I have a feeling I'll further expand my points when replying to the next couple of people as they made some hilariously idiotic posts which I can correct so if you want to read them to make sure exactly what I'm arguing about before you reply, you'll more than likely save me repeating myself..
..go earn yourself some sentence structure..I said you were ignorant for not even knowing his name. True, it's not important to know his name but hell if someone is ignorant for not liking a band then you sure as hell are ignorant for not knowing Thom Yorke's name.
Oh, so a few posts ago I was ignorant for thinking this now you agree but think the point is stupid. The original comment was a parting shot that you have totally over reacted to.
Well if it seems that way, I apologise. It was just the mountain of excrement that was growing everytime a Tool fan posted in this topic became too much to handle. They AREN'T Proggesive anything, maybe they were when Opiate or Undertow was released but fuck, would you still call Pretty Hate Machine fresh and innovative? I used to like Tool around the same time as I ADORED NIN, but to me both of their songs have the same effect as pop songs. Sometimes I'll hear a song and be ashamed for liking it, because it's by Holly Valance or Nelly or some retard like that, but 2 days later I'll be absolutely sick of hearing it on the radio after about 5 listens. Tool and NIN weren't THAT extreme, indeed I think I've listened to The Fragile more than I listened to any other album even though I haven't listened to it in a year..but my point is that even though I can listen to Tool and NIN, their music just does nothing for me because it's barely changed from album to album. Even if it has, all the songs on the one album sound almost identical. I'm starting to think I know why, as the comment about Triad, Disposition and Reflection being 3 parts of the same song, perhaps there are only 3 songs on Lateralus..split into 13 tracks, that would make much more sense.
Well I guess it's a plus point to an artist when their fans can't even agree on what songs they like, heh.
I have a feeling I'll further expand my points when replying to the next couple of people as they made some hilariously idiotic posts which I can correct so if you want to read them to make sure exactly what I'm arguing about before you reply, you'll more than likely save me repeating myself..
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My Reply To The Sound Gardener's Post(s)
I DO NOT THINK TOOL ARE CRAP they are just over rated and their fans come out with the stupidest shit I've ever read, in this topic or on any other music forum I go to.
If they have any stand-out track on Lateralus which they could call Progressive it's Ticks & Leeches.
And I don't recall ever saying I don't like Tool, I just fucking hate their retarded fans and with posts like yours who can fucking blame me?
HOLY SHIT THAT GUY ISN'T 100% POSITIVE TOWARDS TOOL HE OBVIOUSLY HATES THEM AND IS CONSPIRING TO KILL OUR MESSIAH MAYNARD JAMES KEENAN LET'S PUT WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH AND ARGUE LIKE RETARDS. OH MAYNARD DID I DO YOU PROUD SIR, MAY I TAKE YOUR COCK IN MY BUTT NOW PLEASE SIR.
No, I haven't listened to their biggest two hit songs at all, and I never saw them on rock TV channels every single fucking time I turned on the TV..honest.
No, that isn't what I'm saying at all..how about you stop putting words into my mouth? But the UK Ozzfest is the worst fucking tour out there, full of flavours of the month and nu-metal shite. Hardly an event I'd imagine Tool playing in, but they did.
I DO NOT THINK TOOL ARE CRAP they are just over rated and their fans come out with the stupidest shit I've ever read, in this topic or on any other music forum I go to.
Waaaaaah waaaah, mommy he called me a bad name waaaaaaah.
HOLY SHIT IT'S GUITAR RIFF'S OVER AND OVER WITH SOME SHITTY FILTER, PROGRESSIVE GENIUS!!!1 AND NOT ONLY THAT BUT THE CLICHÉD TO HELL SILENCE AT THE END OF A SONG! OH MAYNARD, YOU ARE A MUSICAL GENIUS!!!
If they have any stand-out track on Lateralus which they could call Progressive it's Ticks & Leeches.
BECAUSE THAT IS WHAT I SAID. I used the Radiohead example to show how Tool are anything but Progressive not to say they aren't as good as Radiohead..because then every band would be shit.
And I don't recall ever saying I don't like Tool, I just fucking hate their retarded fans and with posts like yours who can fucking blame me?
HOLY SHIT THAT GUY ISN'T 100% POSITIVE TOWARDS TOOL HE OBVIOUSLY HATES THEM AND IS CONSPIRING TO KILL OUR MESSIAH MAYNARD JAMES KEENAN LET'S PUT WORDS INTO HIS MOUTH AND ARGUE LIKE RETARDS. OH MAYNARD DID I DO YOU PROUD SIR, MAY I TAKE YOUR COCK IN MY BUTT NOW PLEASE SIR.
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HUGGY!!!!
I could write lots of shit but I don't know all the words I´d like to use so to make it simple. They´re both great bands but Tool is really a bit boring.
IMHO :
Tool = Very progressive alternative.
Opeth = Mildly progressive death metal.
I count Tool progressive because of the timings they use.
IMHO :
Tool = Very progressive alternative.
Opeth = Mildly progressive death metal.
I count Tool progressive because of the timings they use.
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And the Tool fans are subjective little Angels aren't they? Oh wait, no they aren't. Maybe if they paid any respect to other people's opinions I'd do the same to them but hell, most of them are as pretentious and arrogant as the band they masturbate to everynight.
There is a prime example, why should I even bother respecting these people at all..
I USED RADIOHEAD AS AN EXAMPLE TO ILLUSTRATE MY POINT THAT TOOL ARE NOT PROGRESSIVE THEN SOME GUY STARTS SHITTING ON THEIR MUSIC, OH OKAY THERE BUD I'LL JUST IGNORE THAT BECAUSE REPLYING MAKES ME IGNORANT AND IDIOTIC. Jesus fuck, and everyone here calls me ignorant? How about you people start reading some of my fucking posts with the heavy "Tool-bias" oh jesus, what's the point I've been down this road so many times with you fanboys..
I'm close-minded because I think Radiohead are more progressive than Tool? Oh, lord Static I can only wish to be as open-minded as you to other people's opinions!
Once again, I DON'T DISLIKE TOOL, my only point has ever been that they are not progressive, they re-use the same ideas over and over and their sound has barely changed over 3 albums. Just because I think Lateralus was a crap album, and if it had been done by anyone else you'd all ignore it doesn't mean I don't like Tool.
SOBER: Slow build-up into the intro, repetitive basic riff and wailing guitar supports it, Maynard joins in the fun with his montone vocals he becomes loud as it approaches the chorus as does the riffs and drums yada yada..there is a really slow part where he sings quietly and the wailing guitar goes but then it bursts into life..and then continues in the usual manner till the end where he repeats the same vocals over and over till it finishes.
SCHISM: Another slow build-up, the repetitive basic riff begins and is joined by another guitar again, Maynard joins in with some vocals that again get loud at set periods along with the music, then the song goes all quiet again and his vocals became more quieter and somber during it..then it bursts into life and he will continue this until the end..where he repeats the same vocals over and over till it finishes.
So yeah, I'm on drugs.
hahaha your description of Schism is a pisser!!!!!!!!!
That's like me describing one of Opeth's songs, say Demon of the Fall, like this:
chugga chugga chugga chugga
"grrrrrrrrrrrooooooarrrrrrr
grrrrrrrrrrrooooooarrrrrrr"
brrring brrrring brrring
"lah lah lah"
chugga chugga
brrring brrring
brrrring
That's like me describing one of Opeth's songs, say Demon of the Fall, like this:
chugga chugga chugga chugga
"grrrrrrrrrrrooooooarrrrrrr
grrrrrrrrrrrooooooarrrrrrr"
brrring brrrring brrring
"lah lah lah"
chugga chugga
brrring brrring
brrrring
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you know, Demon of the Fall ...... a couple of riffs, Mikael growls a few times, a bit of acoustics, Mikael sings cleanly for a bit, solo, acoustic outro.
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LOl, GOOD ONE CAPTAIN DIPSHIT.
I was reffering to your "That's like me describing one of Opeth's songs, say Demon of the Fall, like this" point, not your actual description.
I was reffering to your "That's like me describing one of Opeth's songs, say Demon of the Fall, like this" point, not your actual description.
Sorry, based on some of your comments in this thread, I thought i'd have to spell it out for you.
I meant that you over simplified Schism to suit your argument.....which was fucking ridiculous to start with.
I meant that you over simplified Schism to suit your argument.....which was fucking ridiculous to start with.
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Haha, that is the most ironic thing I've ever heard, I've had to use about 10 longwinded posts to spell out to you braindead cretins what I've been saying from the very first post. And the fact I've already said that my original Sober to Schism comparison was nothing but a parting shot that everyone is over reacting to and you're STILL going on about it is even more ironic.
My description of Sober is equally simplified, and if I was to start talking about the differences between the riffs and the styles it wouldn't exactly compliment my argument would it? Keenan probably didn't even mean to write Schism with the exact same techniques he used in Sober, it's just his blatant lack of creativity means when he comes to the end of his short array of little tricks and hooks he starts using the old ones again. Perhaps "structure" was the wrong word to use when comparing what Sober and Schism have in common, but replace it with whatever the technical term for both songs having vocal crescendo's during the chorus, repetitive basic riff - melodic guitar combo, slow interlude before resuming normal functions and almost indentical outros, is.
.....cos each time you post something, you are providing everyone with enough material to go on like this for weeks.
tool, pink floyd and opeth are the only 3 absolute great bands out there for me...
however except of their music, they have one in common: the fans think they're the wisest people on earth.. which is not so, especially if you take the ones listening to music to be cool or alternative or something.
yeah tool is NOT boring, if its boring then you didnt listen to them really, they same with opeth and pink floyd..
i could try to write a bit more, but as i've seen it has not much use...
however except of their music, they have one in common: the fans think they're the wisest people on earth.. which is not so, especially if you take the ones listening to music to be cool or alternative or something.
yeah tool is NOT boring, if its boring then you didnt listen to them really, they same with opeth and pink floyd..
i could try to write a bit more, but as i've seen it has not much use...
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