Nebulous
Daniel
Some one correct me if im totaly off the mark (Andy/ James!) but recently i heard from a respectable source that record companies only PROFIT around $1 out of each cd, if that!
you stand corrected. it's more than that... that's about right for the artist, depending on royalty rate.Nebulous said:Some one correct me if im totaly off the mark (Andy/ James!) but recently i heard from a respectable source that record companies only PROFIT around $1 out of each cd, if that!
Kazrog said:4) When you buy an album, you're not buying it for the round disc or the packaging, but ultimatley the music inside, otherwise you wouldn't buy it!
Kazrog said:And yet you have no numbers to back this up. Why do you think that music sales are decreasing so rapidly every year? The truth is out there, and the numbers show the exact opposite of what you're saying. According to Soundscan, the top 100 albums sold 194.9 million units in 1999, compared to 153.3 million units in 2004. That's a 21% drop in sales since 1999. And the effects have been even more damaging to indie labels, who have increasingly had to consolidate. Most bands are being forced to fork over their hard earned tour merch money to the labels now. It sucks, and I strongly believe that illegal music downloading is to blame. The "weed" analogy has absolutely no relevance to this situation.
kaomao said:I don't hate people like Static, he says that what he can afford, he buy it
That's good, far better than the assholes that buy nothing, and when I say nothing I say nothing.
Impy said:Just a thing here, did you ever take into account that there are other things affecting music sales? Like the quality of the music on the top 100 charts and so on? I very much believe that one reason for the drop in sales is that the mainstream music of later years have not appealed to as large a crowd as before, when artists like Norah Jones release a CD they still sell shitloads to put it one way...
Just my 2 cents anyways...
James Murphy said:i think Exsanguis meant "disprove" in the last full sentence of his post, but yeah... what he said.
Degenerate said:Check this out http://www.m-base.org/mp3_philosophy.html
"My reasons for providing free music comes from my belief that musical ideas should not be owned by anyone. I believe that ideas should be free for anyone to use (but not to necessarily sell to others or make others pay for the use of these ideas). The concept of a commons area where ideas can be used for the benefit of all but for the profit of no one may seem like an unrealizable concept in the world today. Basically greed runs the world today and it is because of this that the concept of ownership exits."
no one said he didn't.Kazrog said:OK, well this guy has the right to give his music away for free.
you can feel good about yourself.. you are not a "bad person": labels and distributors, and the RIAA are well aware of exactly which of their customers sell used product as well.. and i believe the largest ones at least pay a blanket fee to the RIAA which is distributed to all aritsts equally and make various deals with lables and distros to stay "in the good-books" with them. this was the way it was when i worked at a new and used music store in the early 90's, and i'm sure it's in place still today, or maybe not, but you can be certain that this issue is handled , albeit behind the scenes, so it's a non-issue.black sugar said:Let me throw this out there, and mind you, this is not an attempt to justify illegally downloading music. Just me typing out loud.
What about used CD sales? That has to be hurting the "industry" on some level, but nobody ever mentions it.
Certainly not to the point of illegal downloading, but it has to take a good chunk out of the bottom line. I started buying used tapes and LP's when CD's were still an emerging format and I still buy mostly used CD's. I had absolutely no idea what artist royalties were back then, and it was a total non-issue until Napster.
So... It's legal, but the artist doesn't get paid and doesn't get soundscan, etc... All the same things that are hurting the industry when applied to illegal downloading.
Does that make me a bad person? I dunno. If I can legally buy something for half the price if I go to Amoeba (huge used record stores in LA and SF) instead of Tower, what's a guy to do? Has Lars Ulrich ever bought a used CD? I wonder.
I would bet there's at least one store in most cities that sells used CD's. So on another level, I suppose that used CD sales at least keep some of the mom & pop stores afloat when chains like Target and Best Buy use $8.99 new releases (and CD's in general in Best Buy's case) as LOSS LEADERS to get people in the door.
If Best Buy can argue that business is business, so can Amoeba, and so can the people that shop at both stores.
How do you all feel about this? I need coffee.