Opeth : The Ghost Reveries

[Static]

Static's justification of his downloading is completely ridiculous to me, first saying that he doesn't believe that artists have the right to depend on their art for their living, then he says that downloading helps him discover new bands so that when he has money, he may buy their cd, and then he says that his actions don't affect the industry because he lives in NZ, where the industry is shite.

No one has the right to determine whether or not an artist should make his living from his art. If someone works hard, they should be rewarded. Period. If it's all about the music, that's cool, then the money just goes into paying for his food and rent while he sits in his room writing more songs.

Honestly you missed what I was saying for that first part. I never said artists didn't have the right to depend on their art for a living, I merely said it would be realistic of them to understand that it may not happen and thus have a backup plan.

The world isn't nice, it doesn't give money to people that deserve it. My view is based on the idea that no matter how good my music may eventually get that doesn't mean I will turn a profit, because the mainstream seems to reward predictability and simplicity. All I meant was artists should hope for a profit and do what they can to achieve it, but it is not their right because so often good artists have gone poor, and that's the unfair way of the world.

Mp3s might not help but they are still a scapegoat for an industry too concerned with turning a profit, and not concerned enough with UNDERSTANDING listeners in a way which would in all likelihood increase sales anyways.

 

[Static]

Well that's not true, since you share mp3's you are a facilitator and therefore directly responsible for the abuse....

See, I don't see downloading an mp3 as an inherent 'abuse'. It's the way your habits are affected by this action and whether you actually really do abuse it, which I don't feel I do.

 

[Impy]

I didn't say you did, the people that you supply the mp3's to might though

 

[Static]

I guess it might help perpetuate their abuse...

My friend bought that point up the other night when we talked about it actually.

...

 

[AmirH]

I don't want to get too involved in this since it's such a touchy subject and all but I thought this would be an interesting supplement to Static's argument-

Consider this- music is an art form just like painting or sculpture, or hell even poetry. Who really decides they want to become a famous painter so that they can make a good living from it? The sad reality is that not everyone enjoys art on the same level and not everyone is willing to pay for it. Many would rather just see in the museum or in the case of music, hear it on the radio. Do you buy every book you read? I don't know about you guys- but I often times get it at the library, or look it up online. Music isn't that different and I think it's a bit unrealistic to expect everyone to value it as much as you do. Just my $0.02

 

[James Murphy]

i neiher hate nor shun you, as evidenced by the fact that i continue to have this discussion with you...but your continued failure to comprehend the concept of intellectual property is just so damn disproportionate to the intelligence you appear to have. the statement, "mp3s are less clearly the ownership of anyone" is why i say this. this is the way it works.. and it is international law.... you OWN the CD (or cassette, or vinyl, or mini-disc,or harddrive, etc.) that the music is on, but you do NOT own the music itself.. you are merely licensing it. there is no time restriction on that lisence, but there are many other restrictions.. including reproducing it for distribution through any means, media, or method of delivery known to man.. past present or future. That''s the law. you keep arguing semantics.. it's silly, and if you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem. anyway, wasn't this thread "over" like 4 different times? it's almost here.... here it comes......here it is: The End

p.s... Death's Acre: no.. .just, no

 

[Nitronium Blood]

Back to the topic at hand...

Opeth's "Ghost Reveries" is the best album I've heard in 5 years from anyone. I'd put it up there with Devin Townsend's "Terria." This album is going to be huge, it's truly groundbreaking and amazing

Shane, I hope so too

 

[Static]

Well I don't mind breaking the law, as stated earlier.

I'm a filthy crim.

 

[AmirH]

p.s... Death's Acre: no.. .just, no

Should have kept my mouth shut. FYI I value music very highly, was just a thought. I mean, how many authors actually make a living from writing? Same type of deal really.

 

[James Murphy]

how many authors actually make a living from writing?

... i'll, uh.. let that one go. and let's end this thread, now please.

 

[Hopkins-WitchfinderGeneral]

... i'll, uh.. let that one go. and let's end this thread, now please.

ditto, this is pointless.

 

[Static]

<[OP]Hopkins-WFG> lol i hope you realise you made that entire forum hate you
<Staticnz> wouldn't be the first...
<Staticnz> I dunno, a suprising number of people agreed with me
<[OP]Hopkins-WFG> ok i exagerrated a bit


It's a thin line between love and hate...

 

[James Murphy]

<[OP]Hopkins-WFG> lol i hope you realise you made that entire forum hate you
<Staticnz> wouldn't be the first...
<Staticnz> I dunno, a suprising number of people agreed with me
<[OP]Hopkins-WFG> ok i exagerrated a bit


It's a thin line between love and hate...

posting an IM conversation without the other party's consent is fucked up... it's just not done. it's official, now i do hate and shun you.you have revealed your character, or lack thereof, with that totally class-less move. uke:

 

[Static]

What the...?

It's Hopkins...he wouldn't care at all. He is a very easy going guy and he has posted in this thread repeatedly.

Plus, that was a conversation had in a...get this...PUBLIC HUB. i.e a place open to any people for free viewing. If I EVER posted an IM conversation (a private one, which this was not) I would of course tell the other person about it. Why would he have said those things in a public hub if he was adamant about them being private?

It wasn't a PRIVATE CONVO in the FIRST PLACE!

Man...chill out! Just calm down, please.

 

[James Murphy]

What the...?

It's Hopkins...he wouldn't care at all. He is a very easy going guy and he has posted in this thread repeatedly.

Plus, that was a conversation had in a...get this...PUBLIC HUB. i.e a place open to any people for free viewing. If I EVER posted an IM conversation (a private one, which this was not) I would of course tell the other person about it. Why would he have said those things in a public hub if he was adamant about them being private?

It wasn't a PRIVATE CONVO in the FIRST PLACE!

Man...chill out! Just calm down, please.

ha ha ha ha ha

why is that so funny?.. because number one.. i'm calm.. except for laughing.. and number two: i asked hopkins about this before i posted... he was not pleased. eat that. and MAN.... chill out! Just calm down, please.

 

[Static]

Well I'm sorry then Hopkins, jeez! I thought he was happy go lucky about everything.


Just your wording made it sound like you really hated my guts. Which sucks.

 

[Hopkins-WitchfinderGeneral]

Static for fucks sake, that is a PRIVATE hub, you have to be registered to fucking well use it and it no longer appears on PUBLIC hub lists.

Secondly, what i say to you elsewhere shouldn't be repeated like some kind of running to mummy and telling thing. I'm not pissed with you, but i will be if you do it again.

Thirdly, lets all take a fucking break and get some cold ones ok, this place used to be cool and can be again, if we all try hard enough. (and ban agalloch of course).

This is a forum for adults to post in an adult manner about adult things. No fucking reiterating off hand comments from elsewhere or whatever.

So anyway, lets get back to what this forum is about, arguing about stuff like ARE MACS BETTER THAN PCS/DO YOU AGREE WITH INTERNET DOWNLOADING? is just gonna run this place into the ground. These issues are controversial and no one is going to agree with anyone. As far as I'm concerned this forum is for learners (people like static and myself) to get inside info from PROFESSIONALS (James and Andy), not to have stupid bitchfests that go on for weeks.

Sorry if this is a rant, but this recent spate of bitchiness on here is just ruining an awesome forum, it has to stop.

Thankyou and goodnight!

 

[James Murphy]

Static for fucks sake, that is a PRIVATE hub, you have to be registered to fucking well use it and it no longer appears on PUBLIC hub lists.

Secondly, what i say to you elsewhere shouldn't be repeated like some kind of running to mummy and telling thing. I'm not pissed with you, but i will be if you do it again.

Thirdly, lets all take a fucking break and get some cold ones ok, this place used to be cool and can be again, if we all try hard enough. (and ban agalloch of course).

This is a forum for adults to post in an adult manner about adult things. No fucking reiterating off hand comments from elsewhere or whatever.

So anyway, lets get back to what this forum is about, arguing about stuff like ARE MACS BETTER THAN PCS/DO YOU AGREE WITH INTERNET DOWNLOADING? is just gonna run this place into the ground. These issues are controversial and no one is going to agree with anyone. As far as I'm concerned this forum is for learners (people like static and myself) to get inside info from PROFESSIONALS (James and Andy), not to have stupid bitchfests that go on for weeks.

Sorry if this is a rant, but this recent spate of bitchiness on here is just ruining an awesome forum, it has to stop.

Thankyou and goodnight!

yes.. .what hopkins said.

 

[Static]

Static for fucks sake, that is a PRIVATE hub, you have to be registered to fucking well use it and it no longer appears on PUBLIC hub lists.

Secondly, what i say to you elsewhere shouldn't be repeated like some kind of running to mummy and telling thing. I'm not pissed with you, but i will be if you do it again.

Alright! Didn't think it would be so offensive to people.

Thirdly, lets all take a fucking break and get some cold ones ok, this place used to be cool and can be again, if we all try hard enough. (and ban agalloch of course).

Yase.

This is a forum for adults to post in an adult manner about adult things. No fucking reiterating off hand comments from elsewhere or whatever.

I'm used to the madness of the SoT I suppose. It has soiled me for other forums it seems.

So anyway, lets get back to what this forum is about, arguing about stuff like ARE MACS BETTER THAN PCS/DO YOU AGREE WITH INTERNET DOWNLOADING? is just gonna run this place into the ground. These issues are controversial and no one is going to agree with anyone. As far as I'm concerned this forum is for learners (people like static and myself) to get inside info from PROFESSIONALS (James and Andy), not to have stupid bitchfests that go on for weeks.

Yeah, maybe the politics and debates are best left for other places. That's what I'm used to in other 'serious' convos and threads I've posted in. I'll stick around and go back to the musical conversation if this stuff is too rift-inducing.

 

[Impy]

This is a forum for adults to post in an adult manner about adult things. No fucking reiterating off hand comments from elsewhere or whatever.

You heard the man, bring on the porn!!

No but seriously, enough...

Can't someone just lock this thread?