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Should Marijuana be legalized?
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Jinn
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for a brief time, Marijuana was legal in Oregon before smear campaigns started up stronger than ever. Crime went down and the state economy improved.
Nobody has ever died from marijuana and people do not go insane from it's use. It does not cause brain damage, is not physically addicting and it does not have any long term side effects.
The impairments of marijuana are very minor compared to alcohol.
People will counter that if it is legalized, people will just sit around and smoke pot all day, which would be true to some extent, since anything can become crippling and anything can be abused. There are people who sit around all day and play MMOs. It's not the MMO's fault, it's the player's fault for not moderating himself.
There are people who sit all day and eat. Should we make food illegal since these people don't have the self control to moderate their intake?
The fact is, regardless of what the government says, all unbiased research shows that smoking marijuana is less harmful than cigarettes
It is always my belief that laws should be made around the basis of an apology: if I break a law, i should have a reason to apologize. With Marijuana, I don't see anything to apologize for. I am not harming or disrupting anyone in any way shape or form.
the government's war on marijuana is a costly one for taxpayers, and over the years we have spent over 500 billion dollars to squash the marijuana underground and with dismal results. Sure the DEA will bust a few grow labs every now and then but getting pot on the street is just as easy as going to the store and buying a pack of cigarettes or a bottle of jack.
This is a war that they cannot win, and one that we will not let them win. Legalize it.
Nobody has ever died from marijuana and people do not go insane from it's use. It does not cause brain damage, is not physically addicting and it does not have any long term side effects.
The impairments of marijuana are very minor compared to alcohol.
People will counter that if it is legalized, people will just sit around and smoke pot all day, which would be true to some extent, since anything can become crippling and anything can be abused. There are people who sit around all day and play MMOs. It's not the MMO's fault, it's the player's fault for not moderating himself.
There are people who sit all day and eat. Should we make food illegal since these people don't have the self control to moderate their intake?
The fact is, regardless of what the government says, all unbiased research shows that smoking marijuana is less harmful than cigarettes
It is always my belief that laws should be made around the basis of an apology: if I break a law, i should have a reason to apologize. With Marijuana, I don't see anything to apologize for. I am not harming or disrupting anyone in any way shape or form.
the government's war on marijuana is a costly one for taxpayers, and over the years we have spent over 500 billion dollars to squash the marijuana underground and with dismal results. Sure the DEA will bust a few grow labs every now and then but getting pot on the street is just as easy as going to the store and buying a pack of cigarettes or a bottle of jack.
This is a war that they cannot win, and one that we will not let them win. Legalize it.
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Sgt Major DickYouDown
MARIJUANA SHOULD REMAIN ILLEGAL
It's amazing how so-called "potheads" continue to push for legalization of Marijuana. Their argument concludes that it's, " no more dangerous than alcohol." Well, that's at best, "speculative," and at worst it's dead wrong.
The potheads won a modest victory with the speculative Medical Marijuana law, which allows ************* Marijuana" to be sold the public. Most doctors agree that constant use of Marijuana dulls the brain. The potheads get angry when they hear those words because they enjoy getting "over the counter" Marijuana they can legally posses. Those who cannot get a doctor to prescribe Marijuana continue to take the drug illegally, and can be arrested if they caught with the drug in their possession. Frankly, had we known about the dangers of cigarettes, that "drug" would never have been legal either! Those who smoke cigarettes will not live as long as nonsmokers because the drug enhances the development of lung cancer, as well as other health problems. Any drug on the market that is known to cause cancer and other lung diseases would not be allowed if we knew of the dangers of cigarettes early on. However, cigarettes were not known to be dangerous when they were introduced more than 100 years ago. Once the public was hooked, the Government is not going to restrict their sales.
Even worse, those who live with or hang around people who smoke are also more susceptible to lung cancer Cigars are in the same category. They have been linked throat and mouth cancer. But, like cigarettes, they are still legal for anyone over 18 to purchase. Most people who drink alcohol sometimes get upset when alcoholics warn of the dangers associated with alcohol consumption. Taxpayers put out millions for alcohol treatment, usually after they have hurt someone with their car or by simply losing their temper while under the influence.
Voters were "snookered" by Prop. 215 when we passed it in the mid 90s allowing so-called ************* marijuana" to be legally sold. Unfortunately, some "doctors" have been snookered about the dangers of inhaling the smoke from the drug so they give out prescriptions to purchase "medical marijuana." What is happening in Chico over Marijuana should be the source of a new comedy program on late night television. They allow "cooperatives" to sell pot for "medical purposes."
The City Council wants to allow pot to be dispersed from "dispensaries." Enter District Attorney, Mike Ramsey, who tells them if they set up dispensaries, they may will in violation of the law. The DA is right on this one. It's against federal law to possess it, which places the city in the difficult position of writing a law that violates a federal law, which could bring about raids and arrests of city officials if they follow through with their "dispensaries" law. Marijuana need not, and should not become legal in this state. Why?
Because even if we say it's "legal," it's not! It's still a violation of federal law, and that's why the council's action is as worthless as the paper it's written on. It's not surprising the council is pursuing legalizing pot.
They gained their offices because of a strong voter turn out of CSU students. They not only voted on campus, but also voted in a lot of neighborhoods as well. Marijuana is a problem on all state university and college campuses. What's worse, much of the leadership on University campuses think the product is "harmless," and should be made legal. Those supporting a proposed initiative on the substance think they have a right to smoke what they want, and use cigarettes as an example of that right.
This is an issue that must be settled at the national level, not in California college towns where liberal professors and students have a heavy impact on public voting. If you talk to the cops about legalizing pot, they'll tell you this will create more problems than it solves. Somebody driving a car while under the influence of Marijuana could have an accident but the substance, even with a blood test would be difficult to detect.
In effect, it would make our highways even less safe than they are now. Any substance that alters the mind is dangerous to society as a whole.
Yes, we have alcohol now because the attempt at outlawing the substance failed in the 20s.
Marijuana is a mind altering substance that can over time cause some brain damage. Anyone under its influence poses a danger to society particularly if they get on a bike, or drive a car. Alcohol is bad enough. Let's not make a bad situation worse. Marijuana when inhaled over time has been linked to brain damage, as well as damage to the lungs. It's a substance that poses a threat to everyone including its users.
It's amazing how so-called "potheads" continue to push for legalization of Marijuana. Their argument concludes that it's, " no more dangerous than alcohol." Well, that's at best, "speculative," and at worst it's dead wrong.
The potheads won a modest victory with the speculative Medical Marijuana law, which allows ************* Marijuana" to be sold the public. Most doctors agree that constant use of Marijuana dulls the brain. The potheads get angry when they hear those words because they enjoy getting "over the counter" Marijuana they can legally posses. Those who cannot get a doctor to prescribe Marijuana continue to take the drug illegally, and can be arrested if they caught with the drug in their possession. Frankly, had we known about the dangers of cigarettes, that "drug" would never have been legal either! Those who smoke cigarettes will not live as long as nonsmokers because the drug enhances the development of lung cancer, as well as other health problems. Any drug on the market that is known to cause cancer and other lung diseases would not be allowed if we knew of the dangers of cigarettes early on. However, cigarettes were not known to be dangerous when they were introduced more than 100 years ago. Once the public was hooked, the Government is not going to restrict their sales.
Even worse, those who live with or hang around people who smoke are also more susceptible to lung cancer Cigars are in the same category. They have been linked throat and mouth cancer. But, like cigarettes, they are still legal for anyone over 18 to purchase. Most people who drink alcohol sometimes get upset when alcoholics warn of the dangers associated with alcohol consumption. Taxpayers put out millions for alcohol treatment, usually after they have hurt someone with their car or by simply losing their temper while under the influence.
Voters were "snookered" by Prop. 215 when we passed it in the mid 90s allowing so-called ************* marijuana" to be legally sold. Unfortunately, some "doctors" have been snookered about the dangers of inhaling the smoke from the drug so they give out prescriptions to purchase "medical marijuana." What is happening in Chico over Marijuana should be the source of a new comedy program on late night television. They allow "cooperatives" to sell pot for "medical purposes."
The City Council wants to allow pot to be dispersed from "dispensaries." Enter District Attorney, Mike Ramsey, who tells them if they set up dispensaries, they may will in violation of the law. The DA is right on this one. It's against federal law to possess it, which places the city in the difficult position of writing a law that violates a federal law, which could bring about raids and arrests of city officials if they follow through with their "dispensaries" law. Marijuana need not, and should not become legal in this state. Why?
Because even if we say it's "legal," it's not! It's still a violation of federal law, and that's why the council's action is as worthless as the paper it's written on. It's not surprising the council is pursuing legalizing pot.
They gained their offices because of a strong voter turn out of CSU students. They not only voted on campus, but also voted in a lot of neighborhoods as well. Marijuana is a problem on all state university and college campuses. What's worse, much of the leadership on University campuses think the product is "harmless," and should be made legal. Those supporting a proposed initiative on the substance think they have a right to smoke what they want, and use cigarettes as an example of that right.
This is an issue that must be settled at the national level, not in California college towns where liberal professors and students have a heavy impact on public voting. If you talk to the cops about legalizing pot, they'll tell you this will create more problems than it solves. Somebody driving a car while under the influence of Marijuana could have an accident but the substance, even with a blood test would be difficult to detect.
In effect, it would make our highways even less safe than they are now. Any substance that alters the mind is dangerous to society as a whole.
Yes, we have alcohol now because the attempt at outlawing the substance failed in the 20s.
Marijuana is a mind altering substance that can over time cause some brain damage. Anyone under its influence poses a danger to society particularly if they get on a bike, or drive a car. Alcohol is bad enough. Let's not make a bad situation worse. Marijuana when inhaled over time has been linked to brain damage, as well as damage to the lungs. It's a substance that poses a threat to everyone including its users.
You're wrong, http://www.well.com/user/woa/fspot.htm
Dak
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You didn't give any reason why it should be illegal, just that it isn't a good thing to use.
zabu of nΩd
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This and Christianity are two topics I just need to compile a giant fact sheet on so I can copypasta anyone who brings up idiotic 'arguments' about either.
There's simply nothing to debate about marijuana anymore, as there's plenty of information out there to convince anyone who isn't brainwashed by their parents or the government of the obvious stupidity in most of our drug laws, including but not limited to the illegality of pot. Unfortunately, those able to think for themselves are but a small minority in our society.
There's simply nothing to debate about marijuana anymore, as there's plenty of information out there to convince anyone who isn't brainwashed by their parents or the government of the obvious stupidity in most of our drug laws, including but not limited to the illegality of pot. Unfortunately, those able to think for themselves are but a small minority in our society.
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Dak
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It is. What is immature is demanding government intervention in other people's lives when their personal choices don't meet your subjective views of good and bad.
Einherjar86
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Yes, driving under the influence of marijuana and/or alcohol constitutes a risky behavior. So does driving under the influence of cough medicine. Should we outlaw that as well?
Frankly I think it should just be ignored and what should be illegal is employment discrimination and testing that indicates you smoked sometime over the past 14 days and thus unable to "perform any job". THAT is the biggest pile of crap to come down the tubes in my lifetime.
As for rants about cancer Im glad between cancer, aids and the automobile the human race still has some preditors, its sad that we have offset natural selection as much as we have. It would be another thing if peeps pulled it out rather than striving to be baby factories....
But my stance on government and corporate regulation, control, taxation or any other drugs remains as it was last year and the year before and the year before...ect.
If anyone that so desires could put plants in their back yard or grow room without recourse, without employment testing that should be good enough for all.
As for rants about cancer Im glad between cancer, aids and the automobile the human race still has some preditors, its sad that we have offset natural selection as much as we have. It would be another thing if peeps pulled it out rather than striving to be baby factories....
But my stance on government and corporate regulation, control, taxation or any other drugs remains as it was last year and the year before and the year before...ect.
If anyone that so desires could put plants in their back yard or grow room without recourse, without employment testing that should be good enough for all.
Ah bullshit on the driving, I have more mileage driving stoned than I care to think about. Seems to me straight laced pussys are more threat on the road than anyone because they are pussys and inept at most anything even the pencil pushing that seems to be the only job they could land. Perhaps we should outlaw pussys on the highway.
Perhaps we should outlaw work because at least during "the big boom" most of America was over worked and under slept falling asleep at the wheel... in more ways than one.
Pussys, the world is full of pussys
Perhaps we should outlaw work because at least during "the big boom" most of America was over worked and under slept falling asleep at the wheel... in more ways than one.
Pussys, the world is full of pussys
The absolute most mind altering thing that ever happened over the course of my life was when the beaurocracy got their meally little hands and words all over my body, mind and life... and they were pulling more crap that defys the age old "laws of man" than I have pages to write.
Fuck pussifacation
Fuck pussifacation
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That was an enjoyable read.
as for my part I enjoyed doing it.every where I look... what do I see... pussys !
all worried about what someone else is doing
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All I can say with absolute certainty is that if all the alcoholics were potheads, planet Earth would be a moderately better place. A bunch of alcoholics gathered together tend to get rowdy, a bunch of potheads tend to get mellow. Personally I've never seen anyone throw up from smoking too much weed. The fact that it's vastly safer than alcohol doesn't mean it should be legal merely by that virtue; the fact that the government deems alcohol use a freedom which we are allowed sets an immutable precedent that use of marijuana is no crime. There's such a thing as civil disobediance. 
I think the world would be a much better place if all the pussys would put a buzz on and mellow the fuck out
imaeatyoursoul
i prefer cheerios
theres no good reason for it to be illegal in the first place, its not hurting anyone. as a person who used to be a little bit of a stoner and still enjoys the herb on a regular basis i say legalize it.
DEATH_TO_THE_FALSE
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For the taxable amount it will bring in alone, yes marijuana should be legalized.
Also, it will lower crime rates of drug possesion/drug distribution thus keeping the jails from overcrowding from stupid bullshit crimes.
Also, it will lower crime rates of drug possesion/drug distribution thus keeping the jails from overcrowding from stupid bullshit crimes.
unfortunantly that is an exageration of reality, most people would still be "illegal" users, growers and distributors. Unless someone can provided a reasonably proven argument that it would be more affordable with the taxes put on it. As well as our government would not create a even larger beaurocratic division wasting tax dollars trying to regulate and control it. Further I would like to see proof that it would still not be discriminated against in the work place as well as create a Nazi police assult aimed at forcing drivers to piss in a cup, thus proving nothing.
Im still of the position that nothing would really change, it would be little more than a first step and more costly on the governments behalf than it is currently. If they didnt seek to regulate, control and tax every aspect of human life that would be another thing but we all know what the chances of that ever changing is.
Im still of the position that nothing would really change, it would be little more than a first step and more costly on the governments behalf than it is currently. If they didnt seek to regulate, control and tax every aspect of human life that would be another thing but we all know what the chances of that ever changing is.
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Sgt Major DickYouDown
No these laws are necessary for health and society, just because you smoke it doesn't mean it has to meet your standards the only reason you think its stupid is that reason. But what's better losing more people every year due to marijuana or not losing as as much? I'd go with the last choice. Clearly you don't give a shit about the health of other people it would seem. Try to take into consideration about the bad things that can happen and not just the upside of things, from what I can see there isn't an upside. Most of you guys are claiming it would stop a lot of the marijuana distribution going around, but the only thing it would change is the legal part. Nothing else, people would still sell it and kill people for it, nothing would change other than the legal factor. If anything there would be more crime and deaths if it was made legal, there'd be more crashes, rapes, abuse, and much more. It seems I'm one of the few people that is the only one thinking rationally here.
Lol, your argument is invalid it doesn't make sense, any person would know pot is a lot stronger then cough medicine lol I mean I can't believe you even brought that up seriously kill yourself. Every drug has side effects, don't be such a moron comparing cough medicine with marijuana is just asinine hell using both of them in the same sentence makes you seem retarded.
If it was ignored it would cause anarchy you may think it sounds good but it doesn't most of you whiners think the government is the bad guys but their not, someone has to manage the fucking country and keep it stable otherwise everything would be all chaotic.
Who care's no one asked for your life story, and from your attitude it seems like you're a raging stoner who takes all his problems on other people.
How would it be a better place? it would be a fucked up economy to live in everyone would be stoner's and drunks, nothing would get done, we wouldn't have any good schools or health, everyone would eventually just die off. The whole concept is completely foolish, also marijuana isn't safer than alcohol considering marijuana causes a lot more health effects than alcohol does. I don't know what kind of bullshit you've been reading, but you need to read up seriously, I mean anyone who thinks marijuana is safer than alcohol is an idiot you need to get your head out of your ass.All I can say with absolute certainty is that if all the alcoholics were potheads, planet Earth would be a moderately better place. A bunch of alcoholics gathered together tend to get rowdy, a bunch of potheads tend to get mellow. Personally I've never seen anyone throw up from smoking too much weed. The fact that it's vastly safer than alcohol doesn't mean it should be legal merely by that virtue; the fact that the government deems alcohol use a freedom which we are allowed sets an immutable precedent that use of marijuana is no crime. There's such a thing as civil disobediance.
It is hurting people, read the whole thread before posting ridiculous comments, I've listed many dreadful health effects it causes, Schizophrenia is one of them. Obviously you don't read other peoples posts before posting because if you did you wouldn't of posted such nonsense. Also people don't stay small time stoner's they get addicted to it just like smoking it has that effect, but its a stronger addiction when someone first gets high they want to feel the same as they did their first time doing it. So they keep smoking it and never get the same feeling again but they try anyway because their addicted.
Hey razor, if you are going to come in to a subject and start ranting like a madman, and someone happens to call you out on your hostile ranting, it's not reportable as a "personal attack" - chill with the way you express yourself sometimes and realize that a lot of people don't care to hear it the way you come off (which is hostile and arrogant and I say that from a neutral standpoint).
Anyways, chill out a bit, and quit reporting every time someone bumps into you. You create work for me, unnecessary work. Thanks.
Anyways, chill out a bit, and quit reporting every time someone bumps into you. You create work for me, unnecessary work. Thanks.
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