The Barack Obama review/critique thread

[Matt]

*moved to this thread*

We won't fully withdraw, not to mention it's merely a misdirectional ploy as we are taking the personnel pulled out of Iraq and dropping them into Afghanistan. He is still carrying on with the same globalist interference agenda. Withdrawing would be good but it's not going to happen.
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Withdrawing out of Iraq is a legit possibility, but leaving the middle east entirely will never happen. I know this because the brigadier and five star Generals at the base we are stationed at are good friends with my dad, and we play racquetball together all the time. They don't seem to mind revealing classified information. Permanent bases in Afghanistan are already completely built.

The fact that we are launching attacks into a sovereign (nuclear) country without permission from them is a big problem. And people wonder why the US is disliked by other nations.
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Lulz. I highly doubt that any country will allow the US to bomb them freely. Pakistan (or any middle eastern country other than Israel) hates the US and supports terrorist activity regardless of their PR stance.

 

[mutantllama]

and we play racquetball together all the time.

I lol'd

 

[Einherjar86]

Obama is above criticism and is the most amazing person alive.

I thought that was you?

 

[Dak]

I doubt the Pakistani government is freaking out over our attacks. Also, hadn't Bush already authorised some airstrikes over there?

Pakistani Gov't says US must stop drone attacks.

Apparently they are.

Withdrawing out of Iraq is a legit possibility, but leaving the middle east entirely will never happen. I know this because the brigadier and five star Generals at the base we are stationed at are good friends with my dad, and we play racquetball together all the time. They don't seem to mind revealing classified information. Permanent bases in Afghanistan are already completely built.

Lulz. I highly doubt that any country will allow the US to bomb them freely. Pakistan (or any middle eastern country other than Israel) hates the US and supports terrorist activity regardless of their PR stance.

A. It's not classified information that we already have bases there.
B. Lol at Raquetball
C. I highly doubt the government that we set up to fight the terrorist-supporting Taliban (which we supported back in the day against Russia ironically) is supporting the very people they are fighting for control.....

Just because you swat a rubber ball around a box with some old dudes doesn't mean you have a some sort of amazing insight on world events.

 

[challenge_everything]

Obama has already done more in a week for world peace than Bush did in his entire term:

"'Americans are not your enemy', Obama tells Muslims"
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/27/obama.arabia/index.html?eref=rss_latest

Seems like a good start.

 

[zabu of nΩd]

Pakistani Gov't says US must stop drone attacks.

Apparently they are.

Well the country does appear to be a shithole that the government has little real control over, so they're probably not going to be exceedingly defensive about the issue.

Admittedly, though, it would be better if we just stuck with Afghanistan for now, and maybe tried to get endorsement for Pakistan operations through the U.N. by making the case that they're not doing shit about terrorism. We have been on a pretty disturbing vigilante streak since 9/11.

 

[Dak]

Well the country does appear to be a shithole that the government has little real control over, so they're probably not going to be exceedingly defensive about the issue.

Admittedly, though, it would be better if we just stuck with Afghanistan for now, and maybe tried to get endorsement for Pakistan operations through the U.N. by making the case that they're not doing shit about terrorism. We have been on a pretty disturbing vigilante streak since 9/11.

TBH from much of what I have read from alternative media outlets, the locals preferred the Taliban rule to the corrupt new Government. They didn't like some of the extreme laws the Taliban enforced, but the Taliban had virtually ended the opium industry (which has exploded since we pushed them out of power), and had made the entire region peaceful.

Now the locals live in constant fear of violence due to the conflict. Pakistani lives would probably be much better right now all things considered had we left the Taliban alone. The majority of insurgents wouldn't bother attacking the US anymore if we left the Muslim world alone, but by walking around their countries like we own the place, of course we are going to draw a lot of hate from the locals and neighboring Muslims alike.

Our pre-emptive striking, world bullying, international police force foreign policy has got to change soon. We have already bitten off more than we can chew and we are slowly choking to death on a stew of neglected domestic issues, morally and fiscally irresponsible economic policies, and global dislike from a narcissistic foreign policy.

 

[Liisa]

[ame]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=HplZ_taHXLM[/ame]


This video sums it all up tbh.
Just click on it.

 

[Matt]

A. It's not classified information that we already have bases there.
B. Lol at Raquetball
C. I highly doubt the government that we set up to fight the terrorist-supporting Taliban (which we supported back in the day against Russia ironically) is supporting the very people they are fighting for control.....

Just because you swat a rubber ball around a box with some old dudes doesn't mean you have a some sort of amazing insight on world events.

Not saying I do, but I do know what's going to happen before the enlisted folk do. And I wasn't implying that obvious information like base locale was classified info.

Also, I dominate racquetball

 

[sadistik necrofiend]

Well,

As I have been thinking lately. I wonder what our economy would be like if all the stimulus checks last year that were given to everyone hadn't of been passed out. It made me wonder how much that may of had to do with the worsening economy.

Ron Paul is predicting that the new stimulus plan that Obama is trying to put into effect could put us from a recession into a depression. To me Ron Paul is pretty damn accurate on a lot of shit. He is putting out the real info on the federal reserve and wanted to get rid of it, if he became president.


http://www.infowars.com/ron-paul-stimulus-packages-will-turn-recession-into-a-depression/

 

[sadistik necrofiend]

I agree in saying we should be getting rid of the federal reserve. The fact that they are putting in this stimulus bill, seems to be quite scary.

 

[Dak]

The Federal Reserve is legalized theft, and we started going downhill since it was instituted. If we abolished it we would solve half our longterm economic issues.

Ron Paul is dead on about that. He would have done a 10x better job than Obama will do.

 

[Dak]

Not saying I do, but I do know what's going to happen before the enlisted folk do. And I wasn't implying that obvious information like base locale was classified info.

Also, I dominate racquetball

The bad thing about high ranking officers is they know the plan, but they don't necessarily have a good handle on how it gets carried out. However if you are hobknobbing with a 5 Star you probably are hearing halfway interesting stuff, as far as whats intended for implementation.

That still has little to do with the wide area view of US foreign policy. The military aspect has a very limited, "set/follow orders and ignore anything else" kind of mentality, especially in the officer ranks, since they are rarely affected by the decisions they make.

 

[sadistik necrofiend]

This shit is also very compartmentalized. The higher access you have the more you know etc. So to me it makes it very hard for people to really be in the know.

 

[SharkBlack]

Obama has already done more in a week for world peace than Bush did in his entire term:

"'Americans are not your enemy', Obama tells Muslims"
http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/01/27/obama.arabia/index.html?eref=rss_latest

Seems like a good start.

Egads, Bush has been saying Exactly that for the last eight years...
The rhetoric is not new... And actually that is the truth and always has been.
The enemy is terrorism, and it's their biggest enemy too.
As long as people are strapping bombs to themselves and walking into market places and blowing up people they will not know anything resembling peace.
America doesn't do that... radical Muslim terrorists do... and there is no excuse for it...
I hope people keep an eye on the ball and not the bullshit...

 

[sadistik necrofiend]

Anyone wanting a heads up on just how fucked up our economy is and possibly the reason why (The Federal Reserve), just watch the newest Zeitgeist film.


http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

 

[Dak]

Anyone wanting a heads up on just how fucked up our economy is and possibly the reason why (The Federal Reserve), just watch the newest Zeitgeist film.


http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com/

Unfortunately the majority of people don't want to know the true nightmare of the Federal Reserve system and all the spawned problems it brings, they prefer to be blissfully ignorant, until they suddenly lose everything they have labored for.

 

[MasterOLightning]

So to take the thread back from the tinfoil hat folks, it was good to see Obama bash the Wall Street bonuses today. That never would have happened under Clinton or Bush.

 

[Dak]

So to take the thread back from the tinfoil hat folks, it was good to see Obama bash the Wall Street bonuses today. That never would have happened under Clinton or Bush.

The fact that the current monetary system as run through private "Federal" banks is built to perpetuate debt (and ultimately to cause failure to some/many) is hardly a theory, conspiracy type or otherwise.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

You're...incredibly dumb.