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RadicalThrasher
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The adult fairytale story didn't do a lot for me, nor the rather heavyhanded metaphors, but as a collection of visual imagery it is up there with Jodorowsky's best work. Overall probably on par with El Topo but still well below Santa Sangre.
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29th day of horror movie month and I'm watching Neil Marshall's absolute best film IMO. Fucking love this one, the perfect combination of DIY/indie cinema, entertainment and practical special effects.
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dwellerINTHEdark
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That's not the artwork on my dvd. I remember it being much better. I think.Great movie. Epicly shit artwork
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That's for the collector's edition blu ray, the standard artwork is just a dark background with some dangling dog tags and a picture of actual dogs IIRC.
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@no country for old wainds "the definitive republican fantasy: a salt-of-the-earth everyman takes on educated european criminals, bearded corporate douchebags, callous authority figures and slimeball media men while enabling the redemption of his local killer cop buddy and reclaiming his masculinity by saving his hot wife. and when we're watching willis use all his physicality in negotiating this architecture and those wounds, or watching rickman do... anything, there are few things more stirring in action cinema. i can feel that american spirit swelling up in me, and i'm british."
Ironically this is actually just as much if not moreso an old school working class blue-dog Democrat fantasy. Only really with hindsight does it remind me of Republican stereotypes.
Edit: JohnMcTierman actually has some pretty interesting/weird views since he got out of prison and stopped being a Republican, for example:
"The Die Hard director closed his remarks saying that he attempted to make his films egalitarian. "I hope that you saw my loathing for elitism in those films," he concluded to long applause."
"[Talking about the billion dollar subgenre of making comic book adaptions in Hollywood] I hate the majority of [major studio] films for political reasons, I can’t really watch them. I’m annoyed the second they start”, he said.“Captain America, I’m not joking… The cult of American hyper-masculinity is one of the worst things to have happened to the world during the last 50 years. Hundreds of thousands of people have died because of this idiotic delusion. So how is it possible to watch a film called Captain America?!”“All they’re making are comic book adaptations. There’s action but no human beings, they’re films made by fascists. They’re making all the kids in the world think that they’ll never be important enough to have a film made about their life. And it’s a unique moment in the history of cinema, it didn’t used to be like this. A kid used to be able to learn how a man or a woman should act by watching films. Morals. Comics make heroes for businesses."
Ironically this is actually just as much if not moreso an old school working class blue-dog Democrat fantasy. Only really with hindsight does it remind me of Republican stereotypes.
Edit: JohnMcTierman actually has some pretty interesting/weird views since he got out of prison and stopped being a Republican, for example:
"The Die Hard director closed his remarks saying that he attempted to make his films egalitarian. "I hope that you saw my loathing for elitism in those films," he concluded to long applause."
"[Talking about the billion dollar subgenre of making comic book adaptions in Hollywood] I hate the majority of [major studio] films for political reasons, I can’t really watch them. I’m annoyed the second they start”, he said.“Captain America, I’m not joking… The cult of American hyper-masculinity is one of the worst things to have happened to the world during the last 50 years. Hundreds of thousands of people have died because of this idiotic delusion. So how is it possible to watch a film called Captain America?!”“All they’re making are comic book adaptations. There’s action but no human beings, they’re films made by fascists. They’re making all the kids in the world think that they’ll never be important enough to have a film made about their life. And it’s a unique moment in the history of cinema, it didn’t used to be like this. A kid used to be able to learn how a man or a woman should act by watching films. Morals. Comics make heroes for businesses."
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no country for old wainds
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oh probably yeah. from a british perspective it definitely wouldn't be a conservative fantasy either, more old-school labour or maybe ukip nowadays? it's kinda hard to define exactly what's republican or democrat given how much the terms have flipflopped over the decades tbh, even in the past few years i think both sides have adopted some of what were traditionally the opposition's traits.
it's not a problem for me in itself anyway, i think john mcclane is a great character, i love that he isn't immune to damage and everything he does increasingly seems like a nervewracking, herculean effort for him, it makes him both more human and more heroic. i just think the movie fares less well on the ground, where it deals in implicitly unamerican stereotypes for mcclane to contrast with (plus the al stuff which i've always found pretty corny). just cut that shit and give me an extra hour of willis and rickman going at it.
it's not a problem for me in itself anyway, i think john mcclane is a great character, i love that he isn't immune to damage and everything he does increasingly seems like a nervewracking, herculean effort for him, it makes him both more human and more heroic. i just think the movie fares less well on the ground, where it deals in implicitly unamerican stereotypes for mcclane to contrast with (plus the al stuff which i've always found pretty corny). just cut that shit and give me an extra hour of willis and rickman going at it.
Vegard Pompey
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I agree with you both about the filler scenes, without them I'd probably give Die Hard a perfect rating TBH. Lethal Weapon would also be perfect IMO if it was edited a little tighter, that's another roughly 2 hour movie for seemingly no reason.
Love 'em both though!
I guess the biggest example of what it means to be a Democrat and a Republican having flipped is that Trump is a former Democrat who would have had zero chance winning if he'd run as a Democrat today.
Love 'em both though!
I guess the biggest example of what it means to be a Democrat and a Republican having flipped is that Trump is a former Democrat who would have had zero chance winning if he'd run as a Democrat today.
challenge_everything
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It just depends on what you mean by right-wing. I tend to think much of these exclamations that this or that is a "left-wing" or "right-wing wet dream" are becoming platitudes. What about The Avengers is a libertarian wet dream for example?
I mean, Hillary Clinton is about as militaristic as they come. Though I recognize that far-leftists do refer to her as right-wing anyway. It's all pretty meaningless since we define someone as left-wing or right-wing based on a few stances they take and ignore others that might contradict it.
It is rather ironic though that so many on the left love these comic movies/write for them/are happy with the plots as long as more women and minorities are in the cast, if we are to agree that they're right-wing.
People call me right-wing, but I'm consistently anti-interventionism and the idea of some globe-stomping military superhero force doesn't appeal to me whatsoever.
Edit: A right-wing fantasy to my mind is definitely something like Taxi Driver. It becomes an even more accurate depiction when you consider that Travis Bickle is a massive degenerate in denial (his weird, brief relationship with Betsy, his constant trips to the porno theaters, his emotional detachment to violence etc) and has an unspoken sexual attraction to Iris while at the same time being repulsed by the pedos that hook up with her.
Spending any amount of time with the alt-right will teach you that those who are staunchly opposed to degeneracy and are socially conservative are usually hiding some pretty fucked up skeletons in their closet. "Priest rapes altar boy" etc.
I don't think the left has earned the right to exclude themselves from films glorifying war and interventionism though.
I mean, Hillary Clinton is about as militaristic as they come. Though I recognize that far-leftists do refer to her as right-wing anyway. It's all pretty meaningless since we define someone as left-wing or right-wing based on a few stances they take and ignore others that might contradict it.
It is rather ironic though that so many on the left love these comic movies/write for them/are happy with the plots as long as more women and minorities are in the cast, if we are to agree that they're right-wing.
People call me right-wing, but I'm consistently anti-interventionism and the idea of some globe-stomping military superhero force doesn't appeal to me whatsoever.
Edit: A right-wing fantasy to my mind is definitely something like Taxi Driver. It becomes an even more accurate depiction when you consider that Travis Bickle is a massive degenerate in denial (his weird, brief relationship with Betsy, his constant trips to the porno theaters, his emotional detachment to violence etc) and has an unspoken sexual attraction to Iris while at the same time being repulsed by the pedos that hook up with her.
I always felt this was the reason he mimics shooting himself at the end of the film, sort of as a way to say "I'm the last degenerate I will get rid of" but that's just my interpretation.
Spending any amount of time with the alt-right will teach you that those who are staunchly opposed to degeneracy and are socially conservative are usually hiding some pretty fucked up skeletons in their closet. "Priest rapes altar boy" etc.
I don't think the left has earned the right to exclude themselves from films glorifying war and interventionism though.
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I don't know about the unspoken sexual attraction to Iris since he basically fights her off when she assumes that he's just another client. I do think he was, in some way, obsessed with her though.
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In my theory I think him fighting her off is natural, it's expected of his character. He's a degenerate rebelling against a degenerate society, it would be part of his internal struggle IMO. If he gave in to her he'd cross the line between acting on urges like the scum do and holding back like "God's lonely man" does. The theme of temptation is present in quite a few Scorsese films in fact.
Again, just my theory... I've obsessed over that movie so it probably goes beyond logical interpretation.
Again, just my theory... I've obsessed over that movie so it probably goes beyond logical interpretation.
Vegard Pompey
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Vegard Pompey
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Well clean your room bucko and see it again.
Edit: also I'm not a pedo or a social conservative so projecting makes no sense dummy.
Edit: also I'm not a pedo or a social conservative so projecting makes no sense dummy.
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challenge_everything
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I actually agree with that analysis of Taxi Driver. I'm not sure Scorsese is deliberately endorsing Bickle but at the very least his desire to make his movies and his characters look cool invites sympathy and /or glorification. Having said that, he avoided this with Jake La Motta.
