UM Hall of Fame April '16 Edition

[no country for old wainds]

even the origin of the phrase is dubious. holy moses had a demo called 'black metal masters' two years earlier.

 

[CiG]

Venom aren't deserving at all.

Yes they are. Now I hope they win even more just to piss you off.

 

[no country for old wainds]

bathory evolved way beyond his initial venom worship though so that doesn't really follow

 

[CiG]

I'm ambivalent about Venom being black metal, first wave black metal didn't have a specific sound anyway. Anybody that knows anything knows that first wave black metal is defined by atmosphere, attitude, aura and a bunch of other romanticised elements.

That said, if you're in a black metal band and you don't like Venom, your band probably sucks. Just a guess.

 

[Omni]

Venom aren't deserving at all.

I'm not sure why they wouldn't be deserving when they're clearly a massive influence on what is supposedly your favorite musical style. They're deserving even if it's just from a historical perspective.

For the record, I don't think that Venom 100% invented black metal either. They're still one of the most important bands in its history.

 

[no country for old wainds]

the whole grouping BM into waves thing is pretty unsatisfactory in general, but i think THE RETURN and UNDER THE SIGN... were much more closely approximating what black metal would later become. as ever i suppose it's a question of where you draw the line, you (hp) seem to draw the line earlier than i do with most genres (see: the motorhead thrash argument).

 

[CiG]

At War With Satan is definitely the closest they come to a black metal sound that can be defined.
Seems to me if I were to not be romantic about it and decide which album sounds like the start of a definitive black metal sound, it would be Bathory's Under The Sign Of The Black Mark.

 

[Omni]

Don't forget that people still exist who think that Judas Priest is part of the NWOBHM.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

I'm not sure why they wouldn't be deserving when they're clearly a massive influence on what is supposedly your favorite musical style. They're deserving even if it's just from a historical perspective.

For the record, I don't think that Venom 100% invented black metal either. They're still one of the most important bands in its history.

They're a footnote in the history of black metal. An honorable mention, no doubt, but their music is barely above average.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

If anything Bathory ever produced can qualify as black metal, you bet your ass Venom invented black metal.

If you can't hear the distinction between Venom and Under the Sign of a Black Mark, then there's really no point in even participating in the conversation.

 

[Omni]

@crimsonfloyd

I wonder what black metal you like if you think they weren't one of the most influential bands on the development of the genre and still continue to inspire new bands.

Metallica, Slayer and Exodus also listed them as significant influences. It's pretty obvious that thrash metal owes them a bit of credit as well.

They're definitely more important to the development of extreme metal than Emperor or whatever you like.

 

[CiG]

It went plastic since '94,
Oh my god, you're such a bore.
If you don't understand what I mean,
Well fucking listen to Venom's "Acid Queen."

Now convinced Fenriz wrote this for crimsonfloyd.

 

[CiG]

Jesus christ...

I don't get how you can claim to like all the bands you like and then say that about the last 3 Darkthrone albums.

 

[CiG]

I'm suggesting that makes no sense to me, whatsoever.

I think their most recent album is actually one of their best, what's there to hate about this?

It's utterly fucking glorious.

 

[Baroque]

Anyone want to take over this thread, and the Hall of Fame in general? I don't really have time anymore, sorry

 

[crimsonfloyd]

What renders their music "barely above average"? And how are they a footnote when they've been a primary influence on countless major black metal bands?

Because it's not very good. Bad vocals, hit and miss riffs most of which don't stand up to repeat listens. Welcome to Hell and Black Metal are 6/10 albums... just above average.

And whether or not they influnced other bands has no bearing on the quality of their records in and of themselves. Sorry, I'm not gonna pretend to think something is good just because it had an influence on great musicians. That's what footnotes and honorable mentions are for.

 

[CiG]

So you hate it for reasons that make no sense and don't even relate to the development of Darkthrone? Seems pretty fucking stupid to me. But you're more than free to miss out on great metal for dumb ass reasons.

 

[no country for old wainds]

examples of later darkthrone being norsecore pls

 

[Draehl]

This thread...

 

[CiG]

Don't even relate to the development of Darkthrone? I'd say it does. The last few albums have been acting just in the same way that the hypergeneric new 2000's black metal bands have been sonically. It's all hideously derivative sounding to me.

I hope you reconsider. This is craziness to me, haha. I hope at the very least you own the albums and you're not just going off of some shallow experience via youtube or something.