why do black metallers hate modern Black metal?

[Cythraul]

In other words Dimmu Borgir are doing exactly what they want to do and making music in the style that they want to. How is that bad?
Why would anyone want to listen to a band that gives in to the people's criticism and serves just to please them? I'd rather listen to band that does their own thing over a band that tries to play "true" black metal for the sake of doing so.

The asinine remarks about them being sellouts over change of musical direction is just ironic, because even if the band decided to play true black metal, they would in fact be sellouts because they'd be compromising their sound to please the general black metal fan base

Who cares? They still suck.

 

[symmetryofzero]

modern Bm doesn't bother me, just when there are bands with little to no comparable talent as to those earlier and more origonal.

 

[Koude Haat]

Modern BM is good. you just need to look harder for great bands..

 

[Hubster]

It's more complex, plus the production isn't as clean as one may lead you to believe. It took me a while before I could appreciate the product for its hidden complexities and how it all meshed into a quintessential art form.

Zeph I love ya and all mate, but you are totally incorrect here. I've been reading your posts over the last page or so and I think your love of a polished and keyboard driven sound is effecting your interpretation.

 

[Vossyrus]

'Anthems' was the album that got me into Emperor, but they were actually the last of the 'classic' Norwegian black metal scene for me to fully appreciate, I couldn't grasp them at first, I thought the music was too 'chaotic' compared to most other black metal, but after getting into them, they actually became my favourite Norwegian black metal band. 'Anthems' is still my favourite Emperor album as well. I would have to agree with most everyone, this album is much more accessible than 'Nightside'.

 

[Evil?]

Agreed, I could listen to Anthems with no problem when it was still difficult for me to process Black Metal. I used to like it more than say, Nightside, but after gaining BM experience I came to realize that Nightside is the far superior album.

Anthems is far more accessible.

 

[MasterOLightning]

I agree with the criticisms leveled against Anthems to a large degree, but I think it's going a bit far to really rail on it for having verse/chorus structures and accessible melodies. Most of the songs, even if they had a chorus, were still pretty busy structurally. At times, the melodies were more complex than on ITNE, but just made accessible via clearer production. Thus Spake The Nightspirit has melody lines that take several measures to develop, and The Loss and Curse of Reverance is basically in the style of the old material, but with a polished sound.

Still, the production blows, and the keyboards are frequently "gay" for lack of a better term.

I don't see how some of the attacks on the album are valid unless you apply them across the board, in which case Transilivanian Hunger would really score poorly for it's accessible melodies and simple structures. Many, many legendary black metal songs are not complex at all structurally.

 

[Vossyrus]

When it comes to 'classic' black metal albums one thing I dislike is when people will dismiss an album that was released well over ten years ago because it doesn't meet today's 'standards' or whatever you want to call it. I think when people are reviewing or critiquing an album, to some extent the listener should at least give some consideration on how the album impacted the scene at that particular time, and how it compared to other material being released at the time.

 

[Zephyrus]

Zeph I love ya and all mate, but you are totally incorrect here. I've been reading your posts over the last page or so and I think your love of a polished and keyboard driven sound is effecting your interpretation.

Perhaps my claim for its inaccessibility lies in the fact that I heard ITNE before hearing Anthems. After ITNE I was finally adjusted to the classic BM sound, so when I popped in Anthems I was expecting something quite similar sound-wise. I was in for a surprise. I was so caught off by the radically different sound and atmosphere of chaos that seemed to permeate the album.

And I wouldn't call the album's sound "polished", as it is far from that. If it were so I would be able to pick out more instruments and melodies in earlier listens (particularly the drums, which I couldn't start hearing until the 4th or 5th listen).

And I wouldn't call the album "key-board" driven either. Ihsahn's guitar melodies play just as much a role as do the backing keyboards and effects.

So as I said before, perhaps Anthems' apparent accessibility comes from the fact that I expected a traditional BM sound and was caught off guard.

 

[Vitor]

about Demmo burger, i guess they just followed the same Cradle of Filth steps.

Emperor shown the right path with Anthems
Cradle was the 1st
Demmo Burger followed Cradle after Spiritual Black Dimensions

 

[Vossyrus]

about Demmo burger, i guess they just followed the same Cradle of Filth steps.

Emperor shown the right path with Anthems
Cradle was the 1st
Demmo Burger followed Cradle after Spiritual Black Dimensions

I don't know what you mean, neither CoF nor Dimmu has really ever had anything to do with each other...but I'm certain both bands were indeed influenced by Emperor.

As a fan, Cradle of Filth has always been a gothic metal band. And they only had a slight black metal influence in the beginning, keep in mind their guitar work is often Iron Maiden-influenced. And actually in an interview in 1995 or 1996, Dani Filth was asked a question on, where did he see the band ten years from now. He replied by saying it wouldn't surprise him if they played with a full-out orchestra, or something to that effect, which they did in 2003.

 

[Vitor]

I don't know what you mean, neither CoF nor Dimmu has really ever had anything to do with each other...but I'm certain both bands were indeed influenced by Emperor.

oh no??? so, why demmo burger changed your philosophy on puritanical euphoric misanthropia, with a naked woman in the front art and more orchestral compositions???

i have the answer: cuz they wanted be famous as cradle of filth or marylin manson

 

[Vossyrus]

oh no??? so, why demmo burger changed your philosophy on puritanical euphoric misanthropia, with a naked woman in the front art and more orchestral compositions???

i have the answer: cuz they wanted be famous as cradle of filth or marylin manson

:Smug:
What does that have to do with anything? Plenty of bands have featured naked women on their album covers, and it's obvious Dimmu Borgir moved towards a more symphonic sound because that's the direction they elected to take. I know Dimmu Borgir indeed wants to sell many records, and be 'famous' if you want but how does having more orchestral compositions lead to being as famous as Marilyn Manson? Both bands function independently from each other and both bands have said repeatedly that they don't pay attention to the other, this when there were falsely rumoured accusations of some kind of dislike for each other. They are both very different bands that do their own thing.

 

[Hatebreeder]

I'm sick of hearing about Dimmu Borgir "following in CoF's footsteps". Their similarities are limited and when you get down to the core of the musical arrangements, they are fundamentally dissimilar.

And I am still not convinced that Dimmu Borgir "sold out", because their sound has not changed drastically since the Stormblåst/Enthrone Darkness Triumphant switch (though some would argue that Puritanical Euphoric Misanthropia was quite a change), and their popularity has come pretty recently.

 

[J.]

so the fact they re-recorded Stormblast strictly for money has not convinced you?

the argument that they wanted to get paid for their art and they were being ripped off by their label holds no ground here.

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

dummy burger is a shit band, regardless of "selling out" or becoming more popular (none of that matters to me).

 

[Hatebreeder]

dummy burger is a shit band, regardless of "selling out" or becoming more popular (none of that matters to me).

You're still an idiot.

so the fact they re-recorded Stormblast strictly for money has not convinced you?

the argument that they wanted to get paid for their art and they were being ripped off by their label holds no ground here.

But they have not really compromised their sound, so I'm not going to make false accusations. Selling out implies that they somehow became more radio-friendly to reach a wider audience, which they have not done.

 

[J.]

The Dimmu following CoF argument holds some weight.

After Stormblast or EDT, Dimmu magically were wearing more goth looking clothes and image like a top hat, etc. Also, CoF's "Jesus is a Cunt" shirt was very popular and won them enormous attention. What did Dimmu do? They had a "Cunt Hunters of the Night" shirt. A little too obvious.

For the record, I really don't like either band, but c'mon people. I think you give Dimmu too much credit.

 

[Hell Mike]

You're still an idiot.



But they have not really compromised their sound, so I'm not going to make false accusations. Selling out implies that they somehow became more radio-friendly to reach a wider audience, which they have not done.

They RE-RECORDED and RE-RELEASED an ENTIRE ALBUM for the sole reason of GETTING MORE MONEY. That they made it crappy is really just a side remark here, what they did is the fucking definition of whoring themselves out worse than a bangkok prostitute.

 

[Hatebreeder]

Objectively, I don't think Dimmu Borgir is that great of a band because I've delved somewhat deep into the symphonic black metal scene, but I enjoy their music and I honestly don't care how much money they make as long as they continue to do their thing.