why do black metallers hate modern Black metal?

[Hell Awaits Us All]

I never quite understood this

 

[Koude Haat]

because its not 'kvlt' enough? pseudo-elitism.

 

[skeptik]

It depends on what you mean by 'modern.'

 

[J.]

Bah, the knee-jerk answer, of course. EDIT: @phr33kftw

Describe "modern". Does this include recent albums from already established bands? Or is this exclusively newer (post-2000) bands? Or is this that post-black metal nonsense?

Necuratul beat me to it.

 

[500_Channels]

probably because they have to much melody possibly or arent straight up to the core. i dunno? they don't like the way they draw their pentagrams?

 

[A1a23]

Because it's different.

 

[Mort Divine]

Because - and I've come to understand this more and more as I listen to BM less and less - that many of the "modern" bands lack the spirit that fuels and makes BM what it is. I'll still stand by my favorite BM bands, all of which are modern bands, as great - but I do understand the issues many Black metal fans have with alot of the stuff. It is done almost in a "mass produced trend" like fashion that mocks the passion of the (for lack of better terminology) "real" musicians.

I've got my respect for the elders, Venom, Mercyful Fate, Hellhammer, Sodom, etc. The "Golden Age" bands Emperor, Burzum, Darkthrone, etc. and I also love my fair share of modern bands - I think the problem isn't that there are less high quality bands to be found - just that there is an over saturated scene in which one has to REALLY look to find the good bands. The quality ratio in BM nowadays (I'm sure it was before too, but I can't imagine it being this bad) is horrendous.

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

I like good bm, is fairly simple

 

[KevenZ]

maybe because 10 years ago bands were original and created their own sounds..... now everyone is ripping darkthrone or burzum.

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

so

1)what type of bands are they talking about when BM-ers say modern bm sucks?

2)why do they think it sucks?

 

[Koude Haat]

probably bands like samael. People tend to not like industrial influences.

 

[Cythraul]

Yeah, there should be some clarification on what is meant by 'modern black metal'. If it just means black metal that has come out in the past 10 years or so then I wouldn't say I'm very hostile to modern black metal in that sense. I like quite a few releases that have come out in the past 10 years. But the thing is, I always find myself going back to early 90s Norwegian stuff. I also like other stuff from about the same time period, such as Sacramentum, Beherit, etc. All of that older stuff had a certain spirit and a special quality to it which I find hard to put into words. If you look at the founding bands of the 2nd wave you'll find that nearly all of them had their own unique take on a very young style of metal. BM from that time period seems like really pure and honest expression to me. A lot of this newer black metal and post-black metal stuff seems to have this hyper self-awareness to it which just comes off as really contrived. It just seems like a lot of modern bm bands will throw in some random little aesthetic quirks, for lack of a better term, with no meaningful intent behind it. But I find it hard to put this stuff into words. I can't really explain it that well. I'd just rather suggest to you that you listen to all those albums and sort of "live with them" for awhile. It's better to become directly acquainted with the sort of experience you get from the older stuff. Maybe that way you'll come to understand what I mean in a way that no words can really convey to you.

Damn, I feel like this post is really pretentious. Sorry.

 

[Zephyrus]

I love modern black metal. I love pretty much all black metal. There's the classic grimness of the early 90's, the innovations of the late 90's and the countless permutations that have broadened the current BM scene on a global scale. Whoever hates temporary black metal is perhaps to founded in the more classic styles and find it difficult to accept the fact that the original styles can only be copied so much before stagnation gives way to evolution into something new and, eventually, a far cry from its origin.

 

[Hell Awaits Us All]

Yeah, there should be some clarification on what is meant by 'modern black metal'. If it just means black metal that has come out in the past 10 years or so then I wouldn't say I'm very hostile to modern black metal in that sense. I like quite a few releases that have come out in the past 10 years. But the thing is, I always find myself going back to early 90s Norwegian stuff. I also like other stuff from about the same time period, such as Sacramentum, Beherit, etc. All of that older stuff had a certain spirit and a special quality to it which I find hard to put into words. If you look at the founding bands of the 2nd wave you'll find that nearly all of them had their own unique take on a very young style of metal. BM from that time period seems like really pure and honest expression to me. A lot of this newer black metal and post-black metal stuff seems to have this hyper self-awareness to it which just comes off as really contrived. It just seems like a lot of modern bm bands will throw in some random little aesthetic quirks, for lack of a better term, with no meaningful intent behind it. But I find it hard to put this stuff into words. I can't really explain it that well. I'd just rather suggest to you that you listen to all those albums and sort of "live with them" for awhile. It's better to become directly acquainted with the sort of experience you get from the older stuff. Maybe that way you'll come to understand what I mean in a way that no words can really convey to you.

Damn, I feel like this post is really pretentious. Sorry.

not really pretentious, but just doesn't make much sense. (no offense)

 

[Mort Divine]

Yeah, there should be some clarification on what is meant by 'modern black metal'. If it just means black metal that has come out in the past 10 years or so then I wouldn't say I'm very hostile to modern black metal in that sense. I like quite a few releases that have come out in the past 10 years. But the thing is, I always find myself going back to early 90s Norwegian stuff. I also like other stuff from about the same time period, such as Sacramentum, Beherit, etc. All of that older stuff had a certain spirit and a special quality to it which I find hard to put into words. If you look at the founding bands of the 2nd wave you'll find that nearly all of them had their own unique take on a very young style of metal. BM from that time period seems like really pure and honest expression to me. A lot of this newer black metal and post-black metal stuff seems to have this hyper self-awareness to it which just comes off as really contrived. It just seems like a lot of modern bm bands will throw in some random little aesthetic quirks, for lack of a better term, with no meaningful intent behind it. But I find it hard to put this stuff into words. I can't really explain it that well. I'd just rather suggest to you that you listen to all those albums and sort of "live with them" for awhile. It's better to become directly acquainted with the sort of experience you get from the older stuff. Maybe that way you'll come to understand what I mean in a way that no words can really convey to you.

Damn, I feel like this post is really pretentious. Sorry.

Curiosity strikes and begs me to ask you what do you feel of such bands as Belenos and Primordial?

 

[Cythraul]

Curiosity strikes and begs me to ask you what do you feel of such bands as Belenos and Primordial?

I'm only familiar with two Belenos albums, those being Spicilege and Errances Orinique. I actually think Spicilege is quite good but certainly not one of my favorite bm albums. I also like Primordial. Imrama is my favorite, but I enjoy everything before their latest album, to a certain extent.

 

[J.]

The early stuff just seems more genuine. Fans are always pointing to the evolution of black metal of today's bands. Take a look at pioneers like In the Woods going from Isle of Men to HEart of the Ages or Samael from Blood Ritual to Ceremony of Opposites, Emperor from Nightside to Anthems, Enslaved from Vikingligr Veldi to Eld, Graveland from Celtic Winter to Creed of Iron, etc. Evolution is all over the place with the originators.

But for me, I need music to have feeling to really last. There are some modern bands that fit the bill like Drudkh, Lunar Aurora (their latest is excellent), Helrunar, etc.

One thing that does bug me is the constant praise of mediocrity. FOr the life of me I can't understand the ascendancy of bands like DsO, Velvet Cacoon, Funeral Mist, etc. Of course, it comes down to opinion I guess.

 

[Mort Divine]

Velvet Cacoon I find nothing more than a genius joke with a great album. I love Genevieve, the oceanic essence it captures is just so grand and in a way refreshing.

 

[~Derek~]

Because black metal died in 1996 Im joking, but some poster on this site said that, I don't believe it though.
I like modern black metal, it isn't a dead scene by any means but something about the 2nd wave Norwegian scene captivates me so much more than what I've heard of the modern scene, I don't know what it is but it really makes me want to go out and buy the early Darkthrone and Satyricon Cd's to go with my early Emperor ones. I've heard plenty of modern BM that rivals some of the 2nd wave Norwegian stuff but no scene has quite captivated me like the 2nd wave Norwegian black metal scene.

 

[Evil?]

The reason I have seen often and that makes sense to me is that in the early days Black Metal had the "Black Metal sound" because of the feelings and ideas that the musicians were trying to portray. the newer more modern bands have the "Black metal sound" because that is what black Metal is supposed to sound like. Instead of creating a unique, powerful, sound with a meaning, they simply make music that sounds like Black Metal.

Make sense?