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Does National Socialism have any truth or relevance to it?
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No, I don't support any of the candidates, and I'm not affiliated with any political party.
I'd rather have money go to new schools than prisons, though it seems you'll be paying for government based healthcare in the long run with higer taxation, it just comes down to whether you'd pay it through your own money or have Uncle Sam take it out.
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I need to report back more often, it's way to hard to keep up with the discussion. I agree with everyone else about education on the whole; something needs to be done. Unfortunately, there are so many factors that come into play here that it's hard to keep them all straight. And I'm no expert, so I really have no solution. I go to college in Florida, where education is some of the worst in the nation. I went to high school in New York, where education is much better.
We need to instill a sense of pride and respect in education again. Cutting the budget only sends a message that it's not that important.
Now, regarding taxes:
I don't think taxes should be raised, and I don't think that the rich should be taxed more. 50% of a million is definitely not as detrimental as 20% of 30,000; but the ideal of capitalism is that the person who makes 30,000 will be wise with their money and smart with their career, and will someday move up to a higher position. This is the goal with small businesses too. The goal of every business is to make more next year than the year before. I definitely don't agree with tax breaks to the wealthy, whether it's given to them or they cheat the system; but that's another matter, namely criminal punishment and control. The tax system should work the way it is, and it should promote individuals and companies to excel. I definitely don't think higher taxes is the answer.
We need to instill a sense of pride and respect in education again. Cutting the budget only sends a message that it's not that important.
Now, regarding taxes:
I don't think taxes should be raised, and I don't think that the rich should be taxed more. 50% of a million is definitely not as detrimental as 20% of 30,000; but the ideal of capitalism is that the person who makes 30,000 will be wise with their money and smart with their career, and will someday move up to a higher position. This is the goal with small businesses too. The goal of every business is to make more next year than the year before. I definitely don't agree with tax breaks to the wealthy, whether it's given to them or they cheat the system; but that's another matter, namely criminal punishment and control. The tax system should work the way it is, and it should promote individuals and companies to excel. I definitely don't think higher taxes is the answer.
They can't raise taxes much more without it hurting the middle-class badly, especially if we continue fighting unconstitutional, money-sucking wars (Iraq and Afghanistan will cost up to 7 trillion by the end of the year, according to economist Joseph Stiglitz) and continue maintaining a huge foreign presence. You can't solve the deficit problem without dealing with inflation and foreign policy. The average American family is losing $1,000 more a year because of inflation and unfair taxation. The US Dollar Index reported today that the dollar is at it's lowest point since 1973. It's fallen 13 percent against the Euro because of subprime-mortgage losses, the worst housing market in 25 years, and now credit costs are soaring because the Fed has cut rates five times since September. If the dollar fails, the middle-class will be all but wiped out.
As far as taxes, maybe a flat-tax with no exemptions is in order?
But maybe instead of calling me crazy, you can do the research yourselves, no? Maybe looking into the Federal Reserve and the NAFTA agreement would clarify some shit too
You can't fix the economy unless you look at the whole picture.
As far as taxes, maybe a flat-tax with no exemptions is in order?
But maybe instead of calling me crazy, you can do the research yourselves, no? Maybe looking into the Federal Reserve and the NAFTA agreement would clarify some shit too
You can't fix the economy unless you look at the whole picture.
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You're a fucking retard for assuming that you're presenting us with information that we don't already know. Just allow me to start off by saying that.
Secondly, why the hell do you think that I said "the only way to get out of the massive deficit that we have is to attack it on several fronts"? There is no single solution to the problem, obviously, like you said we have to look at the bigger picture. We need to employ several methods at once in order to get rid of the deficit (which, of course, won't happen), and part of this strategy will most likely have to include a tax raise.
Secondly, why the hell do you think that I said "the only way to get out of the massive deficit that we have is to attack it on several fronts"? There is no single solution to the problem, obviously, like you said we have to look at the bigger picture. We need to employ several methods at once in order to get rid of the deficit (which, of course, won't happen), and part of this strategy will most likely have to include a tax raise.
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Reading through this discussion makes me glad I was born and raised in Canada. Don't get me wrong, we have our own problems (somewhat related to the US of course) but such essentials as, IMO, universal healthcare and heavily subsidized university tuition at least appear to be working in some capacity.
If you know, fucking good for you, I'm glad. I'm not "assuming" anything, most of the general public doesn't know this shit, obviously. If they did, more would get done. I didn't name anyone, and I wasn't referring to anyone specifically, so chill out. It's a rant dude.
Again, I wasn't referring to you or anyone. Also, that's a pretty generic statement.
Yeah, that seems to be included in the plans of all the major candidates (Clinton, Obama, McCain). I don't think it will do any good anyway. None of them even talk about attacking the root causes (foreign policy, inflation). They would rather continue borrowing and expanding our empire. Throwing gas on the fire while telling us "everything is gonna be okay if you just give us more money".
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But maybe instead of calling me crazy, you can do the research yourselves, no? Maybe looking into the Federal Reserve and the NAFTA agreement would clarify some shit too
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That wasn't directed at anyone, many people who hear these things assume that it's just nonsensical madness. My point is that if anyone may be questioning it, don't take my word for it, do the research yourselves, because it's all interconnected.
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Word son. I envy a lot of what Canadians get. Canada does have some issues to work out that the US has but you are ahead in many ways.
Also I guess it was only a matter of time before a Ron Paul supporter got here. They are a plague upon the internet
Another issue that hasn't been raised is energy. Obviously it won't be possible to continue using oil as our main source of energy for much longer - there simply isn't enough left for it to be economically viable, and the environmental effects are obvious. So clearly in the near future we are going to need to switch to a new, renewable source of energy (I can't find it, but some really cool stuff has been done with hydrogen as an energy source). This will require all sorts of new infrastructure and whatnot. Private companies are not going to be able or willing to pay for it. The only thing capable of financing such a project is...the federal government. To fund such an effort, they will need to raise taxes. One more way in which the world is collapsing. Have a nice day .
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V.V.V.V.V.
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The Ozzman
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That's probably the front runner in alternative energy sources right now (in terms of power plants)
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Mort Divine
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Nuclear reactors are NOT the best option for the future and I can never understand why people continue to endorse them.
Ban nuclear power.
Ban nuclear power.
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