Does National Socialism have any truth or relevance to it?

[skeptik]

I think there is the same sort of arbitrariness in a lot of concepts, even concepts that we would be inclined to firmly believe are grounded in natural classes. Race doesn't seem to me to be a special case.

I agree.

 

[Krigloch the Furious]

northern white people are short? what about those durn scandinavians?

 

[CAIRATH]

This thread is actually kind of boring when ohiogrinder is banned.

When do we get to the part where we start posting animated Hitler .gifs?

 

[Zephyrus]

northern white people are short? what about those durn scandinavians?

For those who were tall, their width compensated to retain heat within their bodies.

 

[mutantllama]

If you actually go to some tribe out in the jungle you may find they are all either healthy or dead, strong or dead, agile or dead etc etc.

Weak genes die out naturally, mnore so than in a society where the weak are artifically kept alive.

I have another point BUT I'm not 100% on it. Depending on what food is available, the humans in the area will either turn into farmers or stay just gathering bits on the way if there is plenty. This leads on to different skill being developed. That's what I would guess is one of the reasons for the apparent difference in races advances technologically.

Yes! People who lived in the Middle eastern area became farmers instead of hunters and gatherers. I saw a movie based off of the book Guns, Germs and steel and it explained all of this. People who farmed already had food ready, while hunters/gatherers had to search for food and didn't have extra time to do things like start a religion, or build better technology, or build a government. While the farmers could do all this stuff because they didn't worry about food.

 

[cookiecutter]

northern white people are short? what about those durn scandinavians?

The Dutch are the tallest people in the world. Cairath is 9 feet tall

 

[The Black Prince]

Are we talking 'National Socialism' as formulated in the theoretical and conceptual sense (The Myth of the Twentieth Century)? Or are we talking about 'National Socialism' as practiced circa 1933-1945? Or are we talking 'National Socialism' as practiced by forum clones and Slavic meatheads in scenester black metal bands?

 

[skeptik]

I suppose we're talking about whatever the original poster's friend is, which I don't know, because I didn't feel like reading all of the horseshit included in the first two posts, since what little I did read didn't seem to indicate anything of worth.

 

[CAIRATH]

The Dutch are the tallest people in the world. Cairath is 9 feet tall

'tis true.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

Biological race is a function of climate.

But how does each offspring inherit these traits consistantly? Especially assuming that the first inhabitants of the country became the way they did because of climate.

 

[The Black Prince]

Climate certainly influenced the development of human subgroups, but it was hardly the determinative factor: cultural developments did far more to shape the genetic path of racial and ethnic groups than the ambient air temperature.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

What does cultural developments have to do with genetic features, though?

I suppose you could also bring survival of the fittest into the equation but that still doesn't necessarily explain the original foundation of the given race.

 

[The Black Prince]

What does cultural developments have to do with genetic features, though?

Just off the top of your head, can you think of anything more likely to alter the genetic profile of a population than self-selecting breeding practices? Why do you think closed, purely military aristocracies (such as the medieval knights or the Edo-period samurai) pretty much inevitably end up producing an entire class of sociopaths within a few generations?

 

[Zephyrus]

Climate certainly influenced the development of human subgroups, but it was hardly the determinative factor: cultural developments did far more to shape the genetic path of racial and ethnic groups than the ambient air temperature.

Culture has not existed long enough for it to have had an effect on racial evolution.

 

[The Black Prince]

Culture has not existed long enough for it to have had an effect on racial evolution.

The most basic physical features? Certainly not. Those are clearly climate-imposed. But the subtler differences of behavior and mental capacities? Those can be altered quite quickly by changes in breeding habits, which are themselves quite responsive to cultural shifts.

 

[Zephyrus]

Race has nothing to do with behavior or mental capacity; that's just an arbitrary social construct which has been proven to be false. And behavior is a product of the environment as much if not more than biological factors.

 

[Mort Divine]

I was linked to a study a while back that proved somehow that on average if brought up in equal environments and taught the same things the same way whites and Asians would excel more in academic fields more so than blacks and Hispanics.

I want to find it so I don't sound like I'm bullshitting but I've no idea where it is.

If I find it I'll post it here.

 

[Manic Ferocity]

But there are certain physical traits common to each race but the skin color is what differentiates races to begin with.

@ Zephyrus

 

[The Black Prince]

Race has nothing to do with behavior or mental capacity; that's just an arbitrary social construct which has been proven to be false. And behavior is a product of the environment as much if not more than biological factors.

Jensen's work would seem to suggest otherwise.

Nonetheless, the consensus about nature/nurture seems to be drifting toward the idea that the boundary between the two is quite fluid: nurture influences nature influences nurture. It's a feedback loop.

 

[Zephyrus]

I was linked to a study a while back that proved somehow that on average if brought up in equal environments and taught the same things the same way whites and Asians would excel more in academic fields more so than blacks and Hispanics.

I want to find it so I don't sound like I'm bullshitting but I've no idea where it is.

If I find it I'll post it here.

The familial, social and scholastic environments would have to be equal if you're trying to prove which race(s) have more potential to succeed academically. That and you need a huge sample size.