Faggoth?

[crimsonfloyd]

the way you guys have explained the satanism stuff seems to be based in a lot of church of satan ideas, living for yourself, rejecting rules, blah blah blah. didnt euronymous say he never wanted anything to do with any of that? he seems to be a pretty important figure in the creation of the black metal aesthetic and ideology, so i dont quite understand how that works. everybody seems to be giving different explanations based on whats convenient for excluding the most people at any given time, not a verifiable impetus behind the ideas. just a thought.

The thing about Satanism is there is no big set of rules all Satanists must live by or think by, like there is with many of the major religions. There is very much room for interpretation. Therefore it would only be natural that many Satanists would have contradicting views. It just means their searching for the answers themselves and come up with different answers from one another.

 

[oneshotendsthiswar]

that i understand, but why in the world would people take the black metal aesthetic seriously when no one can even agree on what it is?

and if i remember correctly, anton lavey had said he didnt really take black metal too seriously, there were very few members of the original movement he would have accepted into the church of satan. so youve got one view that worships satan and does everything to undermine christianity, thereby acknowledging the existence of God and christian ideals...and one that embraces the church of satan that isnt particularly interested in them. seems like a lose lose situation.

with that said, i listen to metal for the music. i find dimmu borgir impossibly full of themselves and generic, cradle of filth is just laughable. but i do like bands like emperor, naglfar, newer mayhem, etc. regardless of their views. i dont know why its all so important, especially seeing how fundamentally flawed the ideology appears, but they made some damn fine music.

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

It's absolutely AMAZING that some people still think that the BM "ideals" are true. They're sitting at home laughing their asses off at all of the fucking kids that eat goat heads and stuff thinking "Haha, we're so fucking rock!"

Get the fuck over it. It's music. Listen to it, or don't. Just don't act like there's some sort of fucking hidden meaning in everything bands say. Do you think goregrind bands actually believe in all of the stuff they write about? Take Carcass as an example. I know that the singer and probably the other members are involved in the study of medical science, but you don't actually think they believe everything they talk about in their songs. You don't think they go out and practice demented surgery on everyone they meet, do you? If you do, I pray for your worthless soul.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

It's absolutely AMAZING that some people still think that the BM "ideals" are true. They're sitting at home laughing their asses off at all of the fucking kids that eat goat heads and stuff thinking "Haha, we're so fucking rock!"

Get the fuck over it. It's music. Listen to it, or don't. Just don't act like there's some sort of fucking hidden meaning in everything bands say. Do you think goregrind bands actually believe in all of the stuff they write about? Take Carcass as an example. I know that the singer and probably the other members are involved in the study of medical science, but you don't actually think they believe everything they talk about in their songs. You don't think they go out and practice demented surgery on everyone they meet, do you? If you do, I pray for your worthless soul.

So what are you trying to say? Of course not all bands choose to write about something with a deeper meaning. But what does that have to do with what were talking about?

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Because above, people were arguing about whether music is just music, or whether it has actual ideals behind it. I know that a lot of bands actually believe what they are writing.

 

[crimsonfloyd]

that i understand, but why in the world would people take the black metal aesthetic seriously when no one can even agree on what it is?

and if i remember correctly, anton lavey had said he didnt really take black metal too seriously, there were very few members of the original movement he would have accepted into the church of satan. so youve got one view that worships satan and does everything to undermine christianity, thereby acknowledging the existence of God and christian ideals...and one that embraces the church of satan that isnt particularly interested in them. seems like a lose lose situation.

with that said, i listen to metal for the music. i find dimmu borgir impossibly full of themselves and generic, cradle of filth is just laughable. but i do like bands like emperor, naglfar, newer mayhem, etc. regardless of their views. i dont know why its all so important, especially seeing how fundamentally flawed the ideology appears, but they made some damn fine music.

I personally don't take so called "black metal aesthetics" seriously as I do the theologies of perticular artists who I find to have profound lyrics. The black metal scene just happens to have a lot more profound musicans then most other genres, each with thier own views and theologies (the good ones at least) which I personally find to be inspiring and thought provoking...

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Yeah, but then there are always idiots like Varg who contradict themselves a lot, and stuff. Anyways, I don't wanna fucking argue, you can't get a word in edgewise with people who like metal. Always so quick to defend what they stand for...

 

[oneshotendsthiswar]

its just funny that people are always identifying themselves as true black metal fans when no one can agree what it is, maybe ill just start calling myself a tr00 emperor fan til death.

 

[no country for old wainds]

Euronymous was an imbecile. Varg was/is not much better.

 

[Devourthesun]

It's absolutely AMAZING that some people still think that the BM "ideals" are true. They're sitting at home laughing their asses off at all of the fucking kids that eat goat heads and stuff thinking "Haha, we're so fucking rock!"

Get the fuck over it. It's music. Listen to it, or don't. Just don't act like there's some sort of fucking hidden meaning in everything bands say. Do you think goregrind bands actually believe in all of the stuff they write about? Take Carcass as an example. I know that the singer and probably the other members are involved in the study of medical science, but you don't actually think they believe everything they talk about in their songs. You don't think they go out and practice demented surgery on everyone they meet, do you? If you do, I pray for your worthless soul.

Yeah, but then there are always idiots like Varg who contradict themselves a lot, and stuff. Anyways, I don't wanna fucking argue, you can't get a word in edgewise with people who like metal. Always so quick to defend what they stand for...

Dude, You are a fucking God, than you for saying what needed to be said. We've been arging about Music. its sad :Smokedev:

 

[no country for old wainds]

Think a band like Graveland could capture the Pagan spirit if they were Muslims?

 

[V.V.V.V.V.]

Dude, You are a fucking God, than you for saying what needed to be said. We've been arging about Music. its sad :Smokedev:

No...problem?

 

[anonymousnick2001]

Think a band like Graveland could capture the Pagan spirit if they were Muslims?

I wonder. If they were well-versed and knowledgeable about the subject, and flawlessly pulled it off without revealing their true beliefs, a musical "prank" you might call it, how would anyone else be the wiser?

Perhaps using Muslims is what makes it tricky, because the faith calls for destruction of pagan beliefs and idolatry(political correctness and justice for all...we've come a long way), and to this day, although they are moe accepting, pretending to be in a pagan band would be quite the religious heresy. Like hiding your love of God from everyone else.

On a side note:

I love how everyone automatically assumes I listen to music for just entertainment in a blanket statement. Ever consider that some music is taken seriously by some people and one can appreciate some styles as art and others as fun?

Most people into hip-hop are into it for much more than the music(i.e. gang wars, etc.), and take it as a lifestyle and artform. Some of them also happen to listen to stuff like Elvis or Zeppelin, because, although it's not rap, it appeals to them. Entertainment and art.

I have my styles of music that are much more than just listening pleasure. That delve into my soul and extract a part of me. That elevate me to a different state of mind and body and give me insight into things that nothing else can. Where aesthetic and such are everything. But in the end, it is just art. Not life. Therefore, art cannot be ideology. Ideology is objective. Art is subjective. There is a line of separation. Black metal, although artisitcally quite impressive in terms of delivery, approach, atmosphere, and usage of nearly-forgotten musical techniques(outside classical) such as minimalism, serialism, and the composition of tone poems and epic works. But, at the end of the day, it is just music.

One can craft a black metal epic about kitties and ponies, and through proper masking of vocals, lack of printed lyrics, and avoiding interviews, can create a black metal opus that will have no ideology, but will still be black metal. And it will still have fans.

 

[Varulv]

This thread is complete shit. Just thought I should state the obvious.

 

[anonymousnick2001]

 

[Varulv]

Pfft, you could have posted a better 'captain obvious' picture. I'm disappointed.

 

[anonymousnick2001]

 

[Varulv]

Much better!

 

[anonymousnick2001]

I liked the first one better. I made that one.

 

[Varulv]

It would have been better if the guys were a bit dumber looking.