Most Overrated Band

Originally posted by Lina
I don't agree with this newly-adopted notion that being overrated means it has to suck in every possible way. I think that Katatonia's music is not complicated, intricate or interesting -- and yet, people say it is, when in fact they're just confusing the emotion it renders in them with being technically advanced music.

I didn't say people shouldn't like Katatonia -- I don't care what the hell you listen to. In fact, I didn't even say that they're illegitimate as a band or something, because I stated that they induce strong emotions in many listeners.

I just think they're overrated as musicians. You think they're great musicians, based on your notion that simple, yet beautiful, music is hard to create. And I just don't agree with that, and there's no point in arguing about that.
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Couldn't disagree more.

Firstly overrated means overconsidered, overestimed, overregarded..., and has nothing to do with the music being complex or not. Britney Spears is an overrated artist, and there's nothing complex about her music.

Katatonia is a fairly complicated, intricate and interesting band. You obviously don't like them, but at least recognize the complexity and intricacies of Brave Murder Day, Tonight's Decision and December Souls.

Come on, do yourself a favor and listen to them again.

And Black Session is out of this planet. Quiet world... incre'ible.
 
Originally posted by Wolff
Katatonia is a fairly complicated, intricate and interesting band. You obviously don't like them, but at least recognize the complexity and intricacies of Brave Murder Day, Tonight's Decision and December Souls.
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You mean the fact that every song has the same underlying beat throughout, the same strumming-8th-notes opening? Please, you explain to me the intricacies of their music.
 
I just have to say that Black Metal has the distinct blast beats (dong, dong, dong, dong), and it's present in MANY different bands, and many different songs (for example, Dark Funeral's Secrets of the Black Arts - every single song sounds the same to me because of the blast beats). Also, Death Metal has that "dunka, dunka, dunka" beat. I wouldn't consider myself a musical genius/expert; I just want to enjoy the music!!! Can't bother myself with figuring out if a song/band is technical/intricate/complicated all the time - would make my head hurt :p

And just for the record, I've heard technical music that's so much so as to be confusing with all its complication...sometimes keeping things simple is the way to go.
 
And out of curiosity, I decided to look for interviews of COB, just to find out what they categorize themselves as, if they even mention it. Here's a quote by Janne:

Janne: Right now I'm into 80's hard rock, like Ozzy Osborne and shit like that. But I also like these technical progressive heavy metal bands like Symphony X. I listen to a lot of different styles, so I play many different styles also - I've been playing everything from jazz to heavy metal.

So ok, to clear it up, COB is not a 'prog' band per se, but they incorporate all different styles into their music, prog being one of them.
 
Lina you dont get it ok? you already say you disagree about simple music being elaborated and it is my personal opinion that you do not understand sentiment in music, you seem to like it as a part of a very elaborated band but you seem to hate it if the band is not a guitar circus or a progressive 5/4 bar madness or has intrincate modulation and unusual sound structures. The last thing that should matter about music is the techical aspect and the first one should be the expression and katatonia is a master of the expression by far and many many bands should and do envy that fact alone. I feel sorry for you if you cannot see beyond simplicity or repetitive elements of katatonia, you are missing too much maybe you should dig out the have you ever cried to opeth thread and watch what music can do to people if you understand that is expression, not putting a 12/8 compas and work your way around using minor 7th mayor 6ths harmony of 2 8th intervals playing togheter and acoustic parts to it.
 
I'd expected nothing less from you, Misanthrope, than a post like that, attacking me for things I never said. But you have to stay angry somehow, right?

I enjoy many simple bands' music. If you paid attention you might remember the discussion you and I had about Flowing Tears.

People on this board have claimed that Katatonia actually do make complicated music. And you yourself have said they don't. Therefore, in terms of writing complicated music, they are overrated.

It's hard to be in agreement with someone, isn't it?
 
Am I going to be the first person to say...

TOOL?

I think they fit right in with Radiohead in the way that the media eats up everything they release and hail them as the "third coming of christ". And it doesnt help having fans that are so quick to sing the praises of TOOL being "brilliant and intelligent". when being compared to other mainstream acts. yet hardly any of their fans know any other bands besides them.

They are way over hyped psyeude-progrock, whose fans are much too boisterous.
 
so are they overrated because of a small group of people say they are complicated? its saying too much of them. Overrated as everyone but you has used the term is refering to a widescale number of adoring fans, not some forum people here and there, that does not makes them overrated. Its easy to trow a stone and then go hide, but how can you hide when you obiously have a problem with katatonia, and you obiously would do anything to diminish them? Its not quantum phisic 90% of katatonia's fans out there realize is not complicated music your point is not valid.

People like Me and Wolff say its complicated but a very different kind of complicated, one that has nothing to do with technically, i suspect those who called katatonia complicated think likewise, and that makes them a complicated because is simple band so i think my numbers might be wrong and maybe all katatonia fans realize is not technically complicated?
 
Originally posted by Misanthrope
The first 2 Metallica's ( and before we start: Fuck you too...i know where this is going to )
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hahaahahhahahaha... that was for me Misanthrope? :) Love ya :)
Anyway.. Iced Earth for me.. they've got absolutely NOTHING to offer to metal (they never did actually).. and all greeks love them! I don't know if that's the case in other countries.. but it is in Greece.. sux sux sux
 
Lina: People on this board have claimed that Katatonia actually do make complicated music. And you yourself have said they don't. Therefore, in terms of writing complicated music, they are overrated.
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i'm sorry, but she has a point. katatonia does not write technical music. i don't know why so many are fighting her on this, but katatonia doesn't push any musical boundries.

now with that said, katatonia is a good band, i love 'em. i feel they have a gift at writing emotional music. i'm guessing that lina meant that their musical abilities are overrated, which i agree with. they aren't virtuosos at their instruments, but i think self-indulgence would take away from the emotion in their music. just let her not like a band because they aren't technical, who cares.
 
Originally posted by Human Life
Am I going to be the first person to say...

TOOL?

I think they fit right in with Radiohead in the way that the media eats up everything they release and hail them as the "third coming of christ". And it doesnt help having fans that are so quick to sing the praises of TOOL being "brilliant and intelligent". when being compared to other mainstream acts. yet hardly any of their fans know any other bands besides them.

They are way over hyped psyeude-progrock, whose fans are much too boisterous.
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NOT! I wonder if you ever bothered to buy albums by Tool or Radiohead? Since you haven't mentioned anything except how the media is representing these bands or how the fans don't know any other bands. Tool has weird, complex words and videos, and many of their songs carry a message (note, Aenima). And compared to other bands that are being advertised, for example, Stinkin Pork, Dicksturbed, Godcrap (I know because I bought the albums, and may they live in torment as remnants in a landfill - since that's where they are) and the like, Tool is DEFINITELY brilliant and intelligent! SOME of these fans have not checked out anything more underground than what MTV offers, and I say who cares? Underground music is a step forward for some people, but some people are happy just listening to what is readily available. UNDERGROUND MUSIC IS NOT FOR EVERYONE! Now speaking of Radiohead, that band has a very emotional effect on me. Radiohead is SOO relaxing (has an ambient sound - i.e., "Treefingers"). I love listening to "In Limbo" ("You're livin in a fantasy world...") and "Everything in its Right Place" (enough said). The sweeping electronic sounds are cool too. Kind of has a hypnotic effect to me. How many bands sound like Radiohead or Tool? Zero. I think they're great, and they would be recognized more by the underground metal community if they weren't played on MTV.

*Radiohead - OK Computer - awesome too.. "Karma Police" great song, very simple piano, but beautiful on the ears (love the weeping sounds)..., and "Fitter Happier" words to live by..
 
Originally posted by Jannet


Tool is DEFINITELY brilliant and intelligent! How many bands sound like Tool? Zero. I think they're great, and they would be recognized more by the underground metal community if they weren't played on MTV.
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I agree wholeheartedly...My favorite two bands are tool and opeth! I have been listening to metal for 15 years( I am 25!) and these two bands are,in my humble opinion,the two best bands metal has to offer!:lol:
 
Firstly overrated means overconsidered, overestimed, overregarded..., and has nothing to do with the music being complex or not. Britney Spears is an overrated artist, and there's nothing complex about her music.
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Just a thought - wouldn't a better example be of a band that IS technical or complex and that IS overrated?

Edit: I've read this quote over and over...my poor overworked brain...is..trying...agh...the....torture...of..compre...hen..sion.....AGGGGGH!!!!! Okay...let's think of a band who is overconsidered, overestimated and overregarded and that is technical. There, currently, since I blew several brain cells, I don't have an answer. :p
 
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:D

besides that:

Iron Maiden
The Haunted
Children of Bodom
Pantera
Yngwie Malmsteen
Vader
Arch Enemy
Nightwish
Within Temptation




I also disagree on Tool and Radiohead. Tool has a unique sound indeed (though they haven't evolved a lot), and the lyrics, well, they're intrincate, philosophical, profound. Radiohead is art in every sense of the word. Pretty creative stuff, very abstract, deep and ever changing. They're also the most emotive band I've heard so far, and one of my favorite ones of all time.
 
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