Claire's Horror
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for what I have heard I dare to say they're only pushing Morbid Angel's sound with Egyptian passages in about 5% of the music, but whatever. Nevermind.
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I did not care for the "Amongst The Catacombs Of The Nephren Ka"album I had(which I traded away) by Nile. I did however think they were much more impressive live @ Milwaukee Metalfest than on disc! 
I saw them live also, when they toured with COF, GodForbid and VOD -blagh- and I enjoyed their set immensely. They could have been more animated though, but the music was great! Speaking of Nephren-Ka, I was listening to the album yesterday, and the more I listen to it, the more I like it! But I like Nile period.
Claire's Horror
sperm monster
I can always have great fun with those sort of bands playing live, but otherwise they just bore me to hell. it has happened to me with Children of Bodom, Pantera and Iron Maiden. they're just very energic and you can feel the vertigo; they're perfect for such situations.
I got what would have to be my most painful injury at a show EVER during their set! Someone was crowd surfing and fell on my head causing the most severely painful neckpain I have ever expierienced! But I guess it's all in the name of metal so.....
From the 80's it's Motley Crue
From the 90's it's Nirvana
From 2000 it's COF
NP: Iron Maiden - Fear Of The Dark
~Mezarkabul
From the 90's it's Nirvana
From 2000 it's COF
NP: Iron Maiden - Fear Of The Dark
~Mezarkabul
YaYo
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These threads always create good arguments..
As for katatonia both sides seem right in their opinions. The only wrong thing is including them in an overated thread. I dont think anyone goes on about how good they are at their instruments or whatever, its all about their emotion (and in simply that regard do you think they arent overrated?). From what i've seen they are called good musicians but only from their ability to create atmosphere and emotion in their music, not for creating complex music. I could be wrong though.
As for katatonia both sides seem right in their opinions. The only wrong thing is including them in an overated thread. I dont think anyone goes on about how good they are at their instruments or whatever, its all about their emotion (and in simply that regard do you think they arent overrated?). From what i've seen they are called good musicians but only from their ability to create atmosphere and emotion in their music, not for creating complex music. I could be wrong though.
Then we have to ask ourselves: What defines a good musician? I mean, I don't know what Katatonia sound like, but I see it like this: Not every band creates complex music. And many of those bands are fantastic! If a band effectively creates that atmosphere and emotion, then their intention has been accomplished. I personally love bands who trigger an emotional response inside of me, AND visual, as opposed to technical and complex bands. For example, take Opeth. I know they're technical, but they're also very visual (and emotional). When I listen to April Ethereal, I close my eyes and picture all the lyrics in my head. It's quite beatiful. And then at the end when the lyrics say "The rain was waving good-bye...." all the way to the end of the song, I get these unbelievable chills (NEVER FAILS EVERY TIME), and when the breakdown (dong, da, di, da, da, da) at the very end starts, I burst into tears. And because Opeth is capable of doing that to ME, I believe they are fantastic musicians! This also applies to an emotion-inducing band.
But I know plenty of people who think Opeth are overrated, and put them in the same category as COF because of their VERY poetic lyrics and pleghmy growls/piercing screams (respectively), but I still think it's just their personal dislike of the band shaping their "overrated" thinking.
Originally posted by Jannet
Just a thought - wouldn't a better example be of a band that IS technical or complex and that IS overrated?
Edit: I've read this quote over and over...my poor overworked brain...is..trying...agh...the....torture...of..compre...hen..sion.....AGGGGGH!!!!! Okay...let's think of a band who is overconsidered, overestimated and overregarded and that is technical. There, currently, since I blew several brain cells, I don't have an answer.
Dream Theatre perhaps? Everyone goes on and on about how good they're on their instruments, but what does that really count for? They seem to be more preoccupied in writing music which will let them show off their awesome skills rather than writing good music that actually conveys something. While a Petrucci solo will impress me, it has little emotional impact beyond that.
Lina
kickass elizabethan style
Well, of course it is. When asked who one thinks is overrated, one's answer is going to imply that he doesn't like that band as much as everyone else does. There's little room for objectivity in questions like this.
And can I just state for the record -- if your post about emotional music being just as good was aimed at me -- that I don't only look for technical ability in a band. In fact, none of my favorite musicians are wanking virtuosos.
However, the emotion a band invokes in a person is completely subjective, it can be different for each person -- there's no way to measure it as if it's a fact. Whereas technical ability can be measured and compared, which is why I hate when people argue that a band is "the best" or "good" because of the personal reaction is gives them.
But many bands choose to concentrate on creating emotional pieces that cause some kind of emotional reaction in their listeners. For example, take classical music. Most classical music is NOT written for its complexity or technicality, but for its ability to create a visual picture in ones mind or take feelings like anger, sadness, happiness, bliss, etc., and shape it into a musical form. You cannot change, say for instance, an instrumental piece that conveys anger, war, and suffering, into a feeling of happiness, joy, and bright sunny days. The piece was written to express anger, war, and suffering, and it cannot be changed. This can be transfered to metal bands, since each band decides what they want to focus on: technical ability, emotional-inducing, visual, a combination, etc. I don't think one is better than the other, especially if the band succeeds in their attempt.
Blackspirit
there are no words left
YES!!!! I'm with you on that one!
I'm not good at hearing what is very well played,
and what solo is the best solo, etc. What I get
out of music is feelings
) Dream Theatre does nothing for me. I have tried
them out on many occasions, because people
who like them are REALLY into them, and I want
that too, but they just don't cut it for me...
I need to find some emotion in the music,
not just "see what I can do with my guitar"
)
Obyeybyeogone
New Metal Member
Wow Janet, look
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You're going to be at 1000 posts in under a month
You've become one of the biggest posters in a few days, congrats
231 (45.48 posts per day / 0.14% of total posts)
You're going to be at 1000 posts in under a month
You've become one of the biggest posters in a few days, congrats
Lina
kickass elizabethan style
Uhh...you don't listen to much classical music, do you?
I don't mean to be snotty, but this statement is ludicrous.Since I don't post anywhere else, I have more time to post here. And I love it here - flame wars are at a minimum, very mature people with interesting, thoughtful things to say. I can honestly say that most people here are my peers and not bumbling idiots. That's why on my second day I decided to support UM!!
Lina
kickass elizabethan style
Originally posted by Lina
Uhh...you don't listen to much classical music, do you?
It's not ludicrous at all. And it would be a lot better if you explain why is it ludicrous to you, instead of ending it there.
Yes, I listen to plenty of classical music. And my take in it is this: for lack of words, classical music has to compensate. And since the top human characteristics are emotion and visualization, classical music targets these.
Let's think of a film. There is someone who picks and chooses the background music to match the scene. I've noticed that MANY films use classical music to accompany certain scenes. If the scene is reflecting anger, the music is angry. If the scene is happy, the background music is happy. If the scene is one of suspense, the music that is played is scary, to ADD to the suspense. If the music chosen doesn't match the scene, the scene loses its effectiveness. What I'm trying to say is that emotion in music is just as important, if not MORE so, than any complexity, technicality it might express. Most people don't break down music into its technical parts. They just want to enjoy the music, and ignore the strumming 8th notes (what?), # of repeated riffs, etc. (most people don't even know what riffs are).
Grrrrrr..burns my goat when people include Metallica, Megadeth, Iron Maiden, and Slayer in the overrated category (especially the first three). These bands are like the cornerstones of metal (and Anthrax), and they deserve respect! I know that they've been around since the '70's, '80's, and young people might find them (with the exception of Slayer, since they sound pretty 21st century) blah compared to the current stuff, but these bands really shaped metal! Each of these bands made a HUGE contribution to metal, and for that they must be commended.
Obyeybyeogone
New Metal Member
Yeah I know what you mean. I don't post anywhere else either, I rarely even post out of the Opeth section. I don't know what I'd do without this place
Originally posted by Oyo
Yeah I know what you mean. I don't post anywhere else either, I rarely even post out of the Opeth section. I don't know what I'd do without this place
You're telling me there ARE other places to post outside of the Opeth forum?
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