Connected_Systems, Thanks for posting this. I just today was on the Dark tranquility Forum where there was a post all about the IF forum, and where did it go, and how could they do this, blah blah blah. First of all, THEY (meaning the band) do not owe you or me or anyone else a reason for their decision to take THEIR forum away. I was around on the ORIGINAL IF forum when Fredrik took it away for idiotic behavior, and he explicitely stated when it came back that it would only remain if people treated it with respect. I am so sick of people whining and crying over all the ways that IF fails us all. I agree with the statement, if you dont like them, dont listen and get the FUCK off their forums. I wish I could find that post now to post here for you all to see but I seem to have lost it, but people on there proceeded to call the guys of IF everything from 'disrespectful' to 'losers' because they didnt give the Forum reason for its closing. It seems to me that if everyone had paid attention to what Fredrik said in the first place about a last chance to respect the forum, there is no real reason for him to repeat himself. And it seems to me that most likely all the people crying and throwing fits on the floor about the 'lack of explanation' were probably the same asswipes that caused it to be closed in the first place. On the post I read, people there made every accusation and insult they could think of to the band, and all I was thinking was how they should be ashamed to even CALL themselves IF fans. Saying they were throwing 'temper tantrums' and acting like 'rockstars'. Let me tell you something, I have hung out with the band at times, I am close with Anders to the point where we talk on Email and IM when we both have the time, and they are one of the nicest, down-to-earth, hospitable bunch of guys I have ever had the priviledge of meeting. The comment about them being able to take criticism has nothing to do with the situation the band seems to be in now, with a large group of 'fans' that seem to think its ok to lie about them, impersonate them, and ridicule them. Its cool to give input on whether you like something about their music,etc or not, but the shit that happened every day on that forum was absolutely ridiculous. Someone on that post (christ I wish I could find it) said they are trying to be 'divas' and their fans are not important to them because they took the forum away, but what they fail to consider is that these guys DID NOT take the website away, they simply took the forum section away after numerous warnings about infantile behavior. And nothing for nothing but as someone there since the first forum, I would say probably 80% of the posts were becoming nothing at all to do with IF at all..unless it was of course giving false information or pretending to be them, or fighting with other forum members. These people that were 'oh so upset' about the forum dissapearing are really pissed not for IF related stuff, because the site is still FULL of info on the band, but for the fact that they have no-where else to waste their pitiful time insulting and ridiculing people any longer. There were soooo many comments about IF having attitudes and not wanting to react with their fans..etc etc etc, but what people dont seem to think about is these guys are human, like all of us, and they of course in turn will have days where their attitude may not be all shiny happy. They are away from home, away from their families, they are tired, and they DONT deserve, I agree Connected_System, the bashing that they get. The thing is this, IF is a very talented, great bunch of guys, and if you like them, fuckin A! If you dont, it wasnt for you in the first place. Whew, I feel better